[barend]

hey soldier, do you know who'se in command here?

It is a cinematic wonder, I will admit, from the moment Robert DuVall comes on screen to the moment he leaves. All the rest of it is a mess, narratively speaking. Sure, Brando sounds great reading TS Elliot, but we might have known that going in.

let's not forget Denis Hopper running down yelling "allright, it's allright" which made a wonderful loop for Ministry's NWO

also given that Lucarse wont release the original on DVD futher perpetuates the theory that he DOES want us to forget his original work...

i just don't like the idea mr. commoner (join us already), that the PT is a smoke screen to cover up the OT. it's like stepping in shit and covering up the embarrasment of it by smearing it on your face in a wonderfull scatalogical ode to distraction.

nice theory though...

[Supes]

What better way to get people to forget about these movies which you really don't want to be remembered for, than to sabotage it?

Persoanlly, if I didn't want to do something that everybody wanted to see, then I'd either just not do it, or as is possible in this scenario, give it to someone esle to do.

Lucas is to anally retentive about what happens in these films to be attempting to sabotage them. Taking on the Carefactor Zero stand would be much more sufficient in term of impact on your time etc. It is a little mad to think that the way you get around doing something you really don't want to do is to deveote all your time and resources into it.

I still like the idea though

[Just your average movie goer]

And that too.

[Vwing]

It [Apocalypse Now] is a cinematic wonder, I will admit, from the moment Robert DuVall comes on screen to the moment he leaves.  All the rest of it is a mess, narratively speaking.  Sure, Brando sounds great reading TS Elliot, but we might have known that going in.

Ok, I know this should be discussed in the movie theater forum, but I just wanted to say that at 9:30 I saw that Apocolypse Now (Redux, not the original) was on. I had nothing else to do, so I decided to give it a shot, I had been saying I would watch it for a while, but I hadn't, so I decided to sit down and watch it and if I didn't like it I'd turn to sportscenter or something.

3 1/2 hours later, and I am literally both sweating and out of breath. Ok, the sweat may be from the fact that the lights were very bright, but the breath was definitely the movie. First of all, I can't see how anything was cut from the movie. I'd almost like to see the original version, because I can't imagine anything being cut from Redux.

This is the most beautiful filmmaking I've ever seen. Now, I do realize there are still many movies I need to see, but this was just unbelieveable. Almost every shot is awe-inspiring, even when it's not meant to be. The sky! The sky was so gorgeous throughout this movie. The shots at sunset of course were incredible, but besides that. Even in daytime, where it's just blue sky and clouds, or gray clouds. It's all just unbelieveably gorgeous. I've always said one of the keys to making an epic film is the sky, and by god this got it right.

And when this is not beautiful, it is intense. Or it's both at the same time. This is a cinematic wonder from the time the forest comes into the picture to Brando's final quote. This is the first movie in a long time where my eyes just stayed glued on the screen. And I wasn't even in a theater! God, I wish I saw this in a theater! How much better it would have been, and that's saying a lot.

Yeah, the Robert Duvall part was good. The Ride of the Volkeyries scene was great. But you're telling me, Civ, that no other part of the movie was good? And I'm not even just talking about Brando here, I'm talking about the entire rest of the movie. That's just unbelieveable, considering it's coming from you. I really would like to discuss it with you in the theater section, I'll make a post about it right after this.

Oh and by the way, just to tell you, I have a much bigger problem with you not liking this than I have with you hating ROTJ. MUCH bigger.

This post has been edited by Vwing: 23 May 2004 - 12:14 AM

[Vwing]

Oh and actually, Lucas ver much wanted to direct the movie, he had come up with the idea for making it into a movie and for how it would work and everything, and I believe he felt that Coppola, as his friend, understood this, but Coppola went in and, he felt, stole the job away from him. It actually really hurt their friendship, Lucas was really pissed about that. It also kind of explains the forest in ROTJ, he obviously had a big desire to make some kind of Vietnam-type movie, so he did it with the forest moon of Endor.

[DistantAngel]

I plan to see it in the theatre, but I don't plan on paying to do so. I'm a purist when it comes to seeing any film for the first time ... if I'm going to see, it should be on the big screen with kick ass sound and a good atmosphere. I plan on going to see a movie that I want to see (which I will pay for) timed to finish just before a performance of Ep3 begins - then I just slink from one screen to the other. No one gets hurt but Lucas' wallet.

I don't think Lucas is out to intentionally sabotage Star Wars so that he can "get away from them" and move on to other films. If he wanted people to appreciate his other, better works, why is he now set about arsing about with THX-1138? Yes, folks, the "special edition" of what many consider his most mature work is on its way - and I think we all know what old Georgie-boy means by "special edition".

I think his desire to re-work all of his films is simple ... he's lost the plot ... he's gone totally CGI-crazy; he's the most dangerous of perfectionists - one with unlimited tools and unlimited funds, and a complete unwillingness to say "I have finished" ... he's just going to continue tweaking and refining his "art" ad infinitum because he'll never ever be happy with it.

I can understand the perfectionist desire ... I'm a software designer, musician, writer, and film-maker, and all of these things bring out the perfectionist streak - but I know when to say when ... I know when to accept that the work is probably as good as it can be, and anything I try to do to improve it will only damage it. Lucas doesn't know where this point is ... he doesn't know when to say when. And his films, and our memories of how they used to be, will be forever tarnished because of it.

[barend]

i'm looking forward to the American GRaffitti Speshul idishun.
maybe Ron Howard will howl first at the 'wolf man'.


any way, why doesn't he just fuck around with Howard the Duck and the Ewok movies... like when a dad is working in his garage on building some shelves and gives his sone a shitty peice of wood and some old warn out sandpaper and says: "here, make something" to keep the kid out of his way.

the problem is lucas hasn't made enough films, he'll get sick of his once they've been CGIed to the Point of looking like screensavers, and he'll want to fuck up other peoples movies..

let him fuck with titanic or some shit!

[Just your average movie goer]

any way, why doesn't he just fuck around with Howard the Duck and the Ewok movies... like when a dad is working in his garage on building some shelves and gives his sone a shitty peice of wood and some old warn out sandpaper and says: "here, make something" to keep the kid out of his way.

An amazingly apt analogy and a very good suggestion, Barend. Give him Howard the Duck and the Ewok movies - absolutely. Nobody would shed a tear over any changes there. And he can CGI every last one of the Ewoks as far as I care. If he wants, he can even replace the human characters with Gungans and insert new scenes of Ewoks going to Naboo and other dumb Sith Lords and pointless lightsaber fights - and hell even clone ewoks. I wouldn't mind at all.

[Just your average movie goer]

As do we all.

[Despondent]

But isn't that the point? reading a criticism makes more sense if you know what's being raked. I suppose anyway, Civ: you may have a different take on Chef's Ep. 2 list and satisfaction derived. You may have even more than the rest of us.

If Chef's going, I'm going.

But I liked the suggestion for going to/paying to get in another film and slinking in to Ep.3. Even if you DIDN't see the other film, but supported the cause. (global warming comes to mind. I realize this cause may not be valid in '05) But I don't think you could get away with it until a couple of weeks in. LFL is pretty tight on controlling the distribution, and they've made us line up/checked tickets again at the theatre door the last time or two (on opening day mind you. A statistic I'm less proud to proclaim.)

[civilian_number_two]

I say: If your local theatre has 450 seats, show up with as many people as you can. Most folks could organize about 100, I'm sure. Buy tickets, and then at the last minute return them. Any thratre will give you your money back. They will likely not have 100 people standing around to buy rush tickets, and the opening screening will not sell out.

Sure, a symbolic protest, and hardly worth the effort, but in decades to come, whrn your children ask you what you did to protest the STAR WARS, you will proudly be able to answer.

[Mike Mac from NYU]

I say: If your local theatre has 450 seats, show up with as many people as you can. Most folks could organize about 100, I'm sure. Buy tickets, and then at the last minute return them. Any thratre will give you your money back. They will likely not have 100 people standing around to buy rush tickets, and the opening screening will not sell out.

Sure, a symbolic protest, and hardly worth the effort, but in decades to come, whrn your children ask you what you did to protest the STAR WARS, you will proudly be able to answer.

Or you could form your own "freedom fighter group". C

Call it tS.O.A.P. StAR WARS fans opposed to another Prequel movie. You could plan destruction of Prequel trilogy and Special Editionmovies. Threaten DVD vendors with pipe bombs if they sell star Wars DVDs. Run illegal bootlegs of the unblemished OT. Kidnap Pt actors if demands are not met. Then potentially assasinate George Lucas if he refuses to hand over directing duties to another person.


Why do I have a feeling i shouldn;t have brough that idea up

I can see the headlines now ...,.

EXTRA, EXTRA, angry star wars fan guns down filmmaker George Lucas at Episode III premier!!! The fan was unusually depressed after seeing the trailers for the new star wars film. It is believed that he recieved the idea from a star wars forum run by someone named Chef Elf. Tom Ridge is sending FBI agents to arrest Chef Elf and a person named Mike Mac for inciting terrorist activities. Supreme Court is considering given the guinmen leniency. According to Justice Clarence Thomas."I saw Episode I, II, III... I can't blame the poor guy.."