[barend]

or better yet, go out and kill someone who's fortunate enough to have something you want. that's the american way!

*stands up and salutes*

God Bless!

[Supes]

What the hell, I'm sick and tired of people complaining about the IRAQI war and how bad of a pres Bush is. EVEN is it was all a lie, even if we knew he had no WMD. WE NEED FUCKING OIL. The lie was placed so bleeding heart morons like, like yourselves, would not cry about "blood for oil" Well wake up and smell the fucking roses. We need oil, and arab countries have it all.

To quote the fabulous Red vs Blue, this "cockbiting fucktard" is probably not going to read this after posting this complete bollocks, but for christ sake if your going to post inflamatory shit like this get it even remotely right.

WE NEED FUCKING OIL

Are you a complete moron? The USA has one of the largest oil reserves in the world. It has been stockpiling for years. It has a policy of using up everyone elses resources first to ensure it's own survival once said resources are scarce. I don't mean to come across as insulting to our American friends on this forum because it is very clear that the individual has very little to do with policy.

George W. is doing it for the people is he? Why doesn't this fucking retard ask people what they would like then in stead of just assuming he knows what's best. His concept of what's best is just taking you all on a shit hellish ride and it's only going to get worse.

[Heccubus]

I meant to say this earlier, but the US had 9/11 coming to it. Don't get me wrong, THE US had it coming, not the poor souls who lost their lives in that terrible event. It finally got them to stop walking around with their cock out (in this case, their national security) and made them realize how small it really is. To quote Penny Arcade: "It's like you [the US] were in the shower, and everybody saw your small dick." (Don't ask, I just saw the Red Vs. Blue quote and had to join in, good one, btw Supes) I'm not glad that it happened, and I'm not glad that it has caused so many problems for so many innocent people, but I'm glad the US shut its fucking mouth over its national security. Unfortunately, they still only talk about it, only now it's whining about how vulnerable they think they are.
Wait...where was I going with this....uhm....*runs away*

[Jordan]

Because Supes, Bush surrounds himself with "yes men". He probably does in all honesty think he is doing it for the people.

Listen here. Back in the 70's when the first energy crisis arose, we should have then started pumping mass capital into alternative resources.

The problem is that rich industry owners sold out the country by giving in to the power of oil. Rich owners like um well.... [SIZE=7] the BUSH family [SIZE=7]
. It's people like them that sold us out. We probably could have had some sort of alternative energy source, but researchers did not get the money they needed to perform the experiments. Rather, there was quicker way to score a fucking dollar, with oil.

Supes- I don't know about the "largest oil reserve" bit. Where did you hear that? And if it's true, I gotta say that is just gross. It's near 1 dollar a litre here in Vancouver for gas!

Canada is working on the oil sands technology. But it's still in the early stages, and is VERY expensive to extract.

Oil is the life blood of our economy. It makes plastics, lubricants, gas, etc. But going into the middle east and erecting a puppet government that will no doubt fail in 1 years time is just a waste of fucking life and time. Not to mention the rest of the world will hold a grudge on us now. China is industrializing fast, and is using more and more oil products. They may see us as a threat now. Who knows.

So don't kid yourself, Bush is not innocent on this. His family is coverd in shit from the whole "oil scarcity" problem.

This post has been edited by Jordan: 18 May 2004 - 12:02 AM

[Just your average movie goer]

Also note how this What and Where character assumed that every man, woman and child in the Middle East was responsible for the September 11 terrorist strikes.

I hope that his view is just representative of a small minority. We really don't need to have large numbers of people who think like that.

[civilian_number_two]

The terrorist strikes were directed by a terrorist organization, not a country, and certainly not Iraq. I think we all agree on that.

The terrorist organization in question has strong links to government, yes, but it's to the government of Saudi Arabia, not Afghanistan and definitely not Iraq.

Doesn't matter. 9/11 is a convenient pretext, not a reason. I wish someone with a lot of money had funded a march in support of the war, with marchers all dressed as Nazis and quoted Adolph Hitler in praise of Bush. It would have been mean, and unfair, but it might have taken the bloom off the fucking rose.

The Bush administration had created a difficult problem in Iraq. I daresay they have created their very own Northern Ireland.

[Supes]

Supes- I don't know about the "largest oil reserve" bit. Where did you hear that? And if it's true, I gotta say that is just gross. It's near 1 dollar a litre here in Vancouver for gas!

Here is an article from the Washington Post that talks about what I'm referring to. I'll try and track down the specific report that I read. I was a couple of years ago, but it is still pretty relevant.

Calls grow to tap U.S. oil reserves

And thanks also Hecc, I felt that this topic area really needed a Red vs. Blue injection.

<Edit> I'll also try to track down the article I read that talks about all the non-fossil fuel power developments that have in fact been developed to replace the use of oil etc. These technologies are now safely in the hands of the major petrolium companies just to make sure that they don't get developed until it is necessary. It's not that these oil companies are stopping research, it's that they are not fulfilling the final steps of research and development that has already been done. I would love to have a run through the patent office and see just how many of these alternate power sources have been developed and then shelved by the big oil companies.

This post has been edited by Supes: 18 May 2004 - 06:36 PM

[Gleffnork]

It is my firm belief that we ought to respect whoever is in office simply for the fact that they are our nations leader and demands that respect. Also, look on the bright side, Iraq may not have been invovled with the Terrorism events of September eleventh, but he is now deposed after having oppressed a people for so long.

[Just your average movie goer]

Have to disagree there, mate. Your nation's leader ought to earn the respect you think he is naturally accorded - and quite frankly, he hasn't.

As for Iraq, I agree that Saddam Hussein was past his use-by date - but a lot of people don't really understand much about that part of the world. Saddam Hussein stablised a country that was torn apart by warring factions. He was pretty firm in the way he did things... but this is a very different country from your own.

Also, most people don't realise that the people he was oppressing, the Shiite Muslims, are a really bad group of people. They are the brand of Muslims who oppress women and torture and kill people and have some highly unjust laws. Do you remember the Taliban? They were very extreme but there's a good example of what the Shiite muslims push for. So the US didn't exactly liberate lots of good innocent people.

On the contrary, it has created a very vile mess - a highly unstable situation in which large numbers of people are being killed.

This is not good. There is no bright side here.

[Heccubus]

And besides, in case you haven't noticed, America is not exactly welcome over there.

[Supes]

It is my firm belief that we ought to respect whoever is in office simply for the fact that they are our nations leader and demands that respect.

You can have a respect for the position, but that does not automatically mean that respect must be afforded to the man/woman in it. Respect is something that must be earned not bestowed. This individual has a obligation to respect the position they are in also. When they cannot show that they are not worthy of respect.

I admire greatly the American allegiance to the position of the Presidency, but it certainly should not be above reproach when there is a person holding the position and doing damage to the status that that position engenders.

[barend]

yeah, glef, i think you're thinking of a king. Kings demand respect for the position... the President is just someone who was chosen by the people to do a job... they are the countrys caretaker and are trusted to delegate appropiate uses of that countrys' resorces.

however the current 'president elect' was not voted in. that is to say he lost the popular vote by a significant figure. but said screw it, this seat's mine!. more to the point... he is the son of someone who was president, and seems to be continuing that same campaign! it is against the constituion that any elected president of the US be in power for more than 2 terms... well this family seems to have found a way around that. this whole thing is one big turd on the face of democracy and makes a mockery of the whole system! you may not have a problem with it yet, but i guess we'll have to wait until jeb's in the whitehouse.

this family is an insult to that office and should be banned from entering pollitics... what they are doing, all wars aside, is not worthy of anyones respect!

[Heccubus]

Jeb is the one who got Dubya in there in the first place. It was Jeb who placed the order to halt the vote recount in Florida.

[barend]

http://www.emogame.com/bushgame.html

this is quite fun...

[Jordan]

The terrorist strikes were directed by a terrorist organization, not a country, and certainly not Iraq. I think we all agree on that. 

Bingo, and how do you wage war on terror? The term war was used so that it could be lifted from terror, and conviently placed on Iraq. War on terror---War on Iraq.

Killing off terrorism is a lost cause. You can place laws to prohibit, punish those responsible. But you can't wage war on it.