[84summers]

I realized something while watching the "new trilogy" the other night. Bail Organa isn't just some impotent senator, he's a baby-stealer! But more so, Luke and Leia have a living, biological Aunt!

In Episode II, Deleted Scene 5, titled "Padme's Parent's House", we are introduced to Padme's sister Sola Naberrie, as well as Padme's mother and father, Ruwee and Jobal Naberrie (fair guess which is which). They can be seen at Padme's funeral at the end of Episode III. Anyway, these people are, in fact, Luke and Leia's direct family, their aunt and grandparents!

Not only that, Sola had "pretty young daughters" named Ryoo and Pooja (the artificially giggling children in the deleted scene) according to the overly helpful Star Wars Databank. They are Padme's niece & nephew which, by my math, makes them...Luke & Leia's biological cousins!

Extended universe? There's an actual extended family in the canon! The significance of this: Luke & Leia are no longer lost orphans of the saved galaxy. They have family out there somewhere, and lots of it.

Anyway, it struck me that at the end of Episode VI, while it is only possible their grandparents are still alive, it is almost certain their Aunt is alive and well, living on Naboo (which was edited into the 2004 version of Ep. VI). Ryoo (stupid name) and Pooja (*really* stupid name) have probably even married and spawned by the end of Episode VI. So the Naberrie family is even larger.

On a side note, certainly Naboo remembers their beloved elected queen, for whom they tried to amend their constitution so she could serve more than two terms? Luke & Leia could visit Naboo's memorial museum and historic sites to learn about their family. Then again, do Luke & Leia EVER learn about the existence of Padme Amidala Naberrie-Skywalker? Should they?

Going back to Episode III, it is ridiculous that Bail Organa just gets a child free, and that Luke is sent to live with people he isn't really related to (and who probably never liked him so much), when the twins have living, direct relatives on Naboo. It wouldn't be far-fetched, either. After all, Vader doesn't ever go after the Lars family. Surely the babies would be just as safe on Naboo, even if it is apparently the trivial center of the galaxy as ChefElf observes.

And wouldn't Obi-Wan be more comfortable on Naboo than Tatooine? When he isn't learning how to pester Qui-Gon in the afterlife, he could look over the lake, and try to guess the names of the birds singing, then vacantly muse, "I like the water." (Not to mention the continued adventures of old friends like Captains Panaka & Tarpuls, who we can see playing chess at the Naboo VFW talking about that blockade when Obi-Wan shows up for whatever business.)

Of course, I am aware that the only reason the kids are divided the way they are is so that Lucas can continue his pretension that the saga was always meant to be seen as one whole giant story. But the idea that by the end of the saga Luke and Leia still have relatives is a surprising and fairly significant thought. Also, I just thought the idea of Bail Organa as baby-thief was smirk-worthy.

ChefElf mentioned a sitcom where two Jedis and a Senator raise twin babies. How about a made for TV drama where the Naberries try to get their daughter's child back from the Senator and his unlikeable, awful wife?

That's all a bit much I know, but there it is. Shocking, no?

[TruJade]

Oh this is Hilarious
i hadn't even thought of that
what an interesting turn of events

Yet as ridiculous as it is, the relatives as you call them, had no idea Padme was pregnant
Yes she was obivously preggers through Eps.III to the untrained eye (whatever that means)

they had no idea. To them and everyone else apparently
she just gained a few pounds from stress. Aside from
the fact that the Jedi made sure she still looked pregnant at the funeral.
So as to continue the rumour that she and her child died

So how could Luke and Leia just be thrust upon Sola and her husband like that
no to mention, i believe in one of the sourcebooks it is made clear that the Emperor
kept tabs on Naboo to make sure Vader never visited Padme's grave or her family.
And as per Nabooian custom the father, if not obvious who he is
was not to be known or found out. Convenient? you bet you're ass!
Why he didn't do the same on Tatooine and the Lars i haven't the foggiest

It's Star Wars! It doesn't HAVE to make sense.

As for why Luke and Leia don't search for their cousins is b/c (last time i checked)
they still don't know the name of their mother
just the little video clips they've seen unwillingly provided by R2-D2,
and even still they're just not sure. The Expanded Universe authors

are really using info from the movies, practically quoting scenes
from Eps.II and III with R2 was the lone observer
And he just happened to record all of this yet not have
his memory wiped, just locked with numerous codes.
Right about here in the story is where i stopped reading.

It's all a bunch of crap that happens to work out in a confusing terrible mess
This is what happens when you don't cafefully plan out a story and
just start writting all willy, nilly, gilly, lilly, schmilly, dilly
then expect to connect the dots and it all will magically make perfect sense.

Did i forget anything?

[civilian_number_two]

The more I learn about these prequels, the more I reaffirm my decision never to watch them. Ryoo and Pooja? These are almost the worst fantasy names ever, and I include "Panamon Creel" from the Sword of Shanarra.

[Chefelf]

This is quite a good point. Having the twins live with Padme's sister would have been even safer than with the Lars family. While the 'hiding' place was just as obvious it probably would have been much better protected to defend against any prying Sith lords.

BTW: the deleted scenes from Naboo are so much worse than what we even see on screen in AOTC that it makes you glad they were deleted. The embarrassment and boredom is at a full 10 on all the scenes.

[barend]

and not that its an important point or anything. but i hated the photo thing.

There was no media in any star wars films, which strengthened the fantasy element. There were no photos around, no television no radio. no broadcasted or recorded information outside communication. it gave it a wonderful other worldly feel.

although technically there was nothing wrong with that photo playbck thing it felt odly out of place.

[TruJade]

BTW: the deleted scenes from Naboo are so much worse than what
we even see on screen in AOTC that it makes you glad they were deleted.
The embarrassment and boredom is at a full 10 on all the scenes.

You mean you didn't enjoy those awkward moments shared between lovers?
Or the terribly fake family, Lucas and Co. slapped together?
Imagine that

[mireaux7]

I realized something while watching the "new trilogy" the other night. Bail Organa isn't just some impotent senator, he's a baby-stealer! But more so, Luke and Leia have a living, biological Aunt!

In Episode II, Deleted Scene 5, titled "Padme's Parent's House", we are introduced to Padme's sister Sola Naberrie, as well as Padme's mother and father, Ruwee and Jobal Naberrie (fair guess which is which). They can be seen at Padme's funeral at the end of Episode III. Anyway, these people are, in fact, Luke and Leia's direct family, their aunt and grandparents!

Not only that, Sola had "pretty young daughters" named Ryoo and Pooja (the artificially giggling children in the deleted scene) according to the overly helpful Star Wars Databank. They are Padme's niece & nephew which, by my math, makes them...Luke & Leia's biological cousins!

Extended universe? There's an actual extended family in the canon! The significance of this: Luke & Leia are no longer lost orphans of the saved galaxy. They have family out there somewhere, and lots of it.

Anyway, it struck me that at the end of Episode VI, while it is only possible their grandparents are still alive, it is almost certain their Aunt is alive and well, living on Naboo (which was edited into the 2004 version of Ep. VI). Ryoo (stupid name) and Pooja (*really* stupid name) have probably even married and spawned by the end of Episode VI. So the Naberrie family is even larger.

On a side note, certainly Naboo remembers their beloved elected queen, for whom they tried to amend their constitution so she could serve more than two terms? Luke & Leia could visit Naboo's memorial museum and historic sites to learn about their family. Then again, do Luke & Leia EVER learn about the existence of Padme Amidala Naberrie-Skywalker? Should they?

Going back to Episode III, it is ridiculous that Bail Organa just gets a child free, and that Luke is sent to live with people he isn't really related to (and who probably never liked him so much), when the twins have living, direct relatives on Naboo. It wouldn't be far-fetched, either. After all, Vader doesn't ever go after the Lars family. Surely the babies would be just as safe on Naboo, even if it is apparently the trivial center of the galaxy as ChefElf observes.

And wouldn't Obi-Wan be more comfortable on Naboo than Tatooine? When he isn't learning how to pester Qui-Gon in the afterlife, he could look over the lake, and try to guess the names of the birds singing, then vacantly muse, "I like the water." (Not to mention the continued adventures of old friends like Captains Panaka & Tarpuls, who we can see playing chess at the Naboo VFW talking about that blockade when Obi-Wan shows up for whatever business.)

Of course, I am aware that the only reason the kids are divided the way they are is so that Lucas can continue his pretension that the saga was always meant to be seen as one whole giant story. But the idea that by the end of the saga Luke and Leia still have relatives is a surprising and fairly significant thought. Also, I just thought the idea of Bail Organa as baby-thief was smirk-worthy.

ChefElf mentioned a sitcom where two Jedis and a Senator raise twin babies. How about a made for TV drama where the Naberries try to get their daughter's child back from the Senator and his unlikeable, awful wife?

That's all a bit much I know, but there it is. Shocking, no?

george lucas doesnt have much of a real life family of his own, so dont expect him to properly conjure up a fantasy family either

[Spoon Poetic]

'K, just want to add my two cents here (I guess it's my annual trip into the Star Wars forums): Pooja is not a "stupid fantasy name." It's an Indian name. It means "prayer," in Hindi, I believe, and is a popular girls' name. A variant (and less common) spelling is "Puja." I know some Poojas and Pujas and am very close to one, and so hearing that her name is stupid made me sad. However, it makes me sadder to think that Lucas defiled the name by giving it to a stupid Naboo-dweller (I hate pretty much everything about Naboo).

Can't say anything about the name Ryoo, though.

[civilian_number_two]

Hadouken!

[Spoon Poetic]

(Oh yeah! Gosh, I need to dig that old game up. Different spelling though.)

[84summers]

'K, just want to add my two cents here (I guess it's my annual trip into the Star Wars forums): Pooja is not a "stupid fantasy name." It's an Indian name. It means "prayer," in Hindi, I believe, and is a popular girls' name. A variant (and less common) spelling is "Puja." I know some Poojas and Pujas and am very close to one, and so hearing that her name is stupid made me sad. However, it makes me sadder to think that Lucas defiled the name by giving it to a stupid Naboo-dweller (I hate pretty much everything about Naboo).

Can't say anything about the name Ryoo, though.

My wife just told me that Pooja is indeed a popular Indian name. I am genuinely sorry if I offended anybody. I honestly didn't expect Lucas to use a real existing name in one of his D-rank characters. I mean, really. He once said he named his characters off the gibberish that came out of his infant child's mouth.

The focus of my topic wasn't on character names, though. Its about Luke & Leia having relatives thanks to the new trilogy.

Again, I am sincerely sorry.

This post has been edited by 84summers: 24 November 2007 - 02:19 AM

[Sailor Abbey]

Can't say anything about the name Ryoo, though.

Wasnt that a character from Mortal Kombat? Or was it Street Fighter?

[Sailor Abbey]

Hadouken!

Ah, yes. There it is.