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Posted 30 March 2007 - 07:37 AM

Ok class, let me take you back in time. The year is 1991, and a rather huge summer blockbuster has debuted on July,3,1991 entitled "Terminator 2:Judgment Day". The film, directed by James Cameron, and starring Arnold Schwarzenegger and Linda Hamilton proves to be a smash success raking in more than 200 million, just in the United States.

The anthem for this film (not to be confused with Brad Fidel's theme) is performed by a well-reknown rock band called Guns n' Roses, and their song is called "You could be mine".

While the aforementioned is quite well known, there are some things of interest I'd like to discuss that are not well known to the general public.

The previously mentioned song: Guns n' Roses "You could be mine" was not the initial choice to be included in this film. Another well known rock band had been selected beforehand to write and perform a song for the film instead of Guns n' Roses. A band by the name of Van Halen.

Terminator 2 was shot from Oct 9th 1990 and filming ended on April 4th 1991. During this timeframe, Van Halen was working on their 9th studio album entitled "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge". The album, produced by Andy Johns & Ted Templeman, was released on June 18th 1991 (just a matter of weeks before T2 hit theatres).


Andy Johns wanted to release the definitive Van Halen album, and asked each band member to unanimously agree in accord to allow for 12 months to work on the album, to perfect its sound and style. Johns obvioulsy knew what he was doing, as "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" soon went DOUBLE platinum and earned "best hard rock performance" of 1991.

By now, youre reading this wondering what type of connection I am trying to establish?

You have Terminator 2, which became the highest grossing film of 1991,..and For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge which became the best hard rock album of the same year.

The point I am establishing is this: on For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge there is a track entitled "Judgement Day". This track was supposed to be included in the film "Terminator 2:Judgment Day".

You will also notice the differences in the spelling of the word: Judgment. Van Halen had to add in the letter "E", to make their track title listed as "Judgement Day", as not to be directly confused or associated with the film: "Judgment Day".

This was the intended song to be used in Terminator 2,.not the aforementioned "You could be mine".

So what happened?

Under the direction of Andy Johns, Van Halen was steadily working on a track specifically for the new Terminator film. However, due to short notices and the band's other commitments it was decided that Van Halen's song could not be included in the film, as it wouldnt be thoroughly completed in time. The film had to meet the opening theatre deadline of July 3rd, and could not afford to have any postponement.

They turned to Guns n' Roses, who had a song they were working on for their next album, but the track "You could be mine" was instead used in the film.

If you think about it, it really was a rushed decision, as the lyrics in the Guns n' Roses song have no utter bearing or resemblance to anything common to the Terminator scene.

There is, however, many references that are spoken of within the lyrics of Van Halen's "Judgement Day": I have put in parentheses, the references that are found in the film as they correlate to the sung lyrics......

Its my life, get off my ass, get outta my face
Man, I dont see no problem (when arnie says "no problemo)
Kickin back, aint kickin you, no, no
Anyway, if I make em, then I solve em
Oh, thats right, yeah, whew
Makin plans s a waste, aint no future here (no fate but what we make for ourselves)
Got no face, got no religion (terminators are immortal, and every model has arnie's face-not their own face)
Oh tell me why should I care or even, why should I try? ( a reference to john telling the terminator not to kill humans)
I just slide, slide on by, never bad enough to crucify me (arnie says "I can not self-terminate)
Cry! put it out until judgement day
Ill bear the cross on judgement day
I do most anything, keep em doing anything, cos
Sometimes I just wanna do nothin
Nothin lost, tell me, how can I lose
When Im startin off with nothin (terminators arrive butt naked when sent thru time)
Oh tell me why should I care or even, why try?
I just slide, slide on by, never bad enough to crucify me
Oh! put it out until judgement day
Ill bear that same old cross on judgement day
Oh! hey!
(solo)
Hey man, anythings alright. yeah!
Wow! put it out until judgement day
Ill bear the cross on judgement day
Put it out, put it out until judgement day
Ill bear the cross on judgement day
Oh! whoa, yeah, on judgement day
Oh! whoa, yeah, on judgement day
Wow!

are you seeing the connection, my friend?.....this WAS the intended song for Terminator 2:Judgment Day!

It is a little known factoid, few know of this, and the details are scant on the internet as many contracts were signed in their hey-day to forbade speaking regarding this. I mean, come on, you didnt really think Van Halen just absent-mindedly decided to spell the name of their song incorrectly by accident do you? It was NO accident, it was done to prevent association of their song with the subtitle of the blockbuster hit. believe it.

you want further proof? You'll notice that Van Halen's "Judgement Day" is listed as the 2nd track on their album "for unlawful carnal knowledge". It is absolutely no coincidence at all that the placement of this track is at the number two position, but rather its pays silent homage to the fact that the film is also number two in the terminator series as well.

well, there you have it class. little known factoids about film, one film in particular. i hope you found todays lesson to be quite informative. thanks for your participation. class dismissed.

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Posted 31 March 2007 - 02:25 AM

*blinks*

If this is an established trivia fact, why did we need to look at the lyrics being poorly applied to the film? Any connection between the movie and this song, besides the name, is spectacularly weak from what you've presented. Just give me a quote from Van Halen/the T2 people that they were comissioned for the song and I'll be happy.

You also seem to try to imply that the album was a success because the movie was a success, except the song wasn't played in the movie, and this is apparently a little known fact. The reason the album sold well was probably because the band/producers said "Hey, let's spend the next year making this thing FUCKING ROCK!" and they pulled it off.
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Posted 01 April 2007 - 08:00 AM

thats actually true, i did recall reading about this in a newspaper one time. it made a brief mention of it.
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Posted 01 April 2007 - 07:03 PM

refering to him as 'arnie' would have made the song's inclusion in the film rather tacky...
i'd hate to see the terminator flying down the sewers on his harley while sammy fucking hagar is yelling "go get 'em arnie"... i think the whole suspended disbelief thing would go right out the window.

(and while i'm at it YCBM was one of only 3 good songs on that doubledisc paperweight called 'use your illusion')


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Posted 01 April 2007 - 09:56 PM

QUOTE (barend @ Apr 1 2007, 07:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
refering to him as 'arnie' would have made the song's inclusion in the film rather tacky...
i'd hate to see the terminator flying down the sewers on his harley while sammy fucking hagar is yelling "go get 'em arnie"...


i looked up the lyrics to this song. "go get em arnie" isnt included in the lyrics.

but mireaux has a interesting point. Van Halen's Judgement Day would have surely made more sense than Guns and Roses "yoooouuuuu could be miiiine,..but youre waaay outta liine..With your bitch slap rappin'
And your cocaine tongue
You get nuthin' done
.(????? blink.gif )...yoooouuu could be miiiiiinne

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Posted 01 April 2007 - 11:07 PM

yeah... try not to take things so literally.

given where the song was included, it was just some song on the radio, so it was of little consequence. having a song that refers to the star by real-life name is bad.
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Posted 02 April 2007 - 09:20 AM

I always like that Eddie Grant song, Romancing the Stone. Little airplay save some MTV coverage in the day. The producers of the film felt the song drifted from what the movie represented from what I recall.
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Posted 02 April 2007 - 11:45 AM

QUOTE (Despondent @ Apr 2 2007, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I always like that Eddie Grant song, Romancing the Stone. Little airplay save some MTV coverage in the day. The producers of the film felt the song drifted from what the movie represented from what I recall.


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Posted 02 April 2007 - 02:19 PM

little known fact about donnie darko:


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Posted 02 April 2007 - 07:20 PM

the soundtrack to the first 'Hellraiser' film was originally recorded by 'coil' but the producers said the score made the film far too disturbing.

the coil soundtrack is rare but available if you hunt hard enough, but the main theme and several tracks off it are available on coil's 'unnatural history' (vol 1. i think)

something that really should have been restored at least as an option for DVD.
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Posted 03 April 2007 - 01:08 AM

QUOTE (barend @ Apr 2 2007, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the soundtrack to the first 'Hellraiser' film was originally recorded by 'coil' but the producers said the score made the film far too disturbing.

the coil soundtrack is rare but available if you hunt hard enough, but the main theme and several tracks off it are available on coil's 'unnatural history' (vol 1. i think)

something that really should have been restored at least as an option for DVD.


and you know what,.just the same way nintendo, sony, and microsoft lure us to buy next gen systems by only releasing key titles ONLY on their next gen systems,.this same lure tactic will also be utilized when films are updated as well.

so for example, the possible restoration you speak of with the original coil song being added will be done,..but only available on blu-ray and hd-dvd formats,..it will bypass dvd altogether in an attempt to get you to buy the fancier disc player.
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Posted 03 April 2007 - 01:50 AM

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and you know what,.just the same way nintendo, sony, and microsoft lure us to buy next gen systems by only releasing key titles ONLY on their next gen systems,.this same lure tactic will also be utilized when films are updated as well.

I doubt that. The DVD distributers don't have the exclusive on hardware distribution that game providers do. Nintendo can lure you to the next platform with a fancy new release, and profit by selling you the new game system, but why should Lion's Gate care whether you buy a tape or a disc, blu-ray or memory stick, or whatever the future holds? If anything, their best bet would be to release the material in multiple formats, to lure you into buying it more than once.

As for their bogus statement, likely they hadn't worked out the music rights for the video release, and then didn't want to pay what coil were asking. Who ever heard of a horror film producer saying he wanted to make his horror film less disturbing?
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Posted 03 April 2007 - 09:01 PM

the director wanted the music, the producers wanted comercial success




and i doubt coil asked for much money

and here's the cool artwork


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The first 3 tracks (Side A) are taken from Coil's soundtrack to the Clive Barker film "Hellraiser" which was rejected by the film studio. (The following quote from Barker appears on the cover: "The only group I've heard on disc whose records I've taken off because they made my bowels churn.")

Clive Barker and Coil were friends during the early 1980s and it's been frequently noted that he was inspired to write "Hellraiser" from some of the literature and art Coil used to collect. Naturally he wanted Coil to do the score but while initial reports claim their music was "too scary" for the film, the reality is closer to that of the Hollywood studio wanting their own chums to do the work.


as fo rthe world of re-releases, i have no problem with directors releasing the film that they where bullie dout of releasing back in the day. updating a film is bullshit i'm not into, and goes against everything i believe in. but an alternative ending or subplot that was rejected by the trailer park trash test audience or original soundtrack made by buddies of the director cast asside by the coke sniffing sociapaths in suits wanting to give work to their cohorts, being rectified is fine by me.

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Posted 04 April 2007 - 03:43 PM

he never really got the true recognition or amount of respect he deserved, in fact many transformers fans never even heard of him. but the inspiration for how the transformers cartoons & movie looked is all the genius of a brilliant filipino man named Floro Dery.

check out his artwork, its rad

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Posted 07 April 2007 - 11:48 PM

ohhhh......myyyyy.....gawd....



i am going to cry!!!!!


i was just casually surfing youtube and came upon this rare gem

have a peek,..someone else knows what i know!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=bt0O_nZuZnw

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