[Otal Nimrodi]

For what it's worth, I never claimed to have defeated Barend in an argument. I just spell-check his posts anyway.

[jariten]

This thread is a total lost cause.

Start a thread in the debate forum would ya?

[Otal Nimrodi]

Uh... Is that the right place?

I suppose so...

I just don't want someone to call it spam.

How about someone moves it into there.

[Jejef Thgaron]

This thread is a total lost cause.

Start a thread in the debate forum would ya?

I concur. We've gotten way off point.

Why does R2-D2 use the jets in his legs/arms in the PT, but never uses them in the OT. Discuss.

[Otal Nimrodi]

http://www.chefelf.c...wtopic=5155&hl=

[barend]

for the record though:

robot:


not a robot:

[Jejef Thgaron]

for the record though:

robot:


not a robot:

Without attempting to digress from the main thread... you're comparing apples to oranges. I'm not going into detail, but unless a sprinkler head is controlled through electronic means to take the place of a human's chores, it is not robotic. I've already discarded anything that doesn't fit in the definition of a robot as a simple machine, or device.

[barend]

a sprinkler system is monitored by a computer grid.

electricity is not a deciding factor... a sprinkler system is as advanced as washing machine. and neither are robots.

(apples and oranges? more like apples and orange trucks)

[Despondent]

Do you mean an orange-colored truck, or a truck which transports oranges?

(No; you mean several.)

This post has been edited by Despondent: 10 April 2006 - 08:00 PM

[barend]

a truck that transports oranges.


sorry... ambiguity...

like kiss kiss bang bang; "i want you to picture the bullet in your head."

[Jejef Thgaron]

a sprinkler system is monitored by a computer grid.

electricity is not a deciding factor... a sprinkler system is as advanced as washing machine. and neither are robots.

(apples and oranges? more like apples and orange trucks)

That's where you have taken this thread on a tangent: The sprinkler system is 'monitored' by a computer grid. It's not 'controlled' by a computer grid. It is only monitored. Which only means the computer can give you information on the location of the sprinklers, or whether they are working, or not. It has no bearing on how the sprinkler does its job.

When did I say 'electricity' was a determining factor? I said that they have to be CONTROLLED by an ELECTRONIC device. 'Electric' and 'Electronic' are not the same thing. 'Electric' refers to AC or DC current. 'Electronic' refers to a device that is powered by 'electricity'. The robot that you have pictured is controlled by an 'electronic' device, such as a remote control, or a computer.

The way that particular sprinkler works is as such: There is a glass tube filled with mercury. It is the red piece in the center of that sprinkler. When the mercury is heated up, due to heat from a fire, or smoke, the mercury-filled glass tube drops, which opens up the valve to release the water, which is already pressurized behind the valve. This is a mechanical device and has nothing to do with robotics. There is no ELECTRONIC CONTROL DEVICE.

Washing machines are pre-programmed mechanical devices that work on an electronic timing device. You input information into the internal circuitry via the knob. It takes the information and plugs it in to pre-determined phases of operation. The circuitry inside the washing machine tells the mechanical device within how to do the job, according to the information that it has received. It does the chore automatically, therefore doing your job for you. That is what robots do. They recieve information and they act upon it, according to their pre-programmed or current programmed status. They are CONTROLLED by an ELECTRONIC DEVICE, whether it is a pre-programmed circuit board, a computer, or a remote control.

A sprinkler has no such device controlling the outcome of the job. It is a piece of metal, with a glass mercury-filled tube designed to react to heat. It is no more a robot, than the common lightbulb, or a thermometer.

As I have just said, you're comparing apples to oranges to try to prove I am an idiot. Wait until scientists discover free energy. Then we'll see all kinds of robots... especially with the advent of the super-colliding superconductor, and official A.I.

[barend]

i think you miss the nature of my rather sardonic comparison...

washing machines change cycles as a result of a dial that is wound to a position....

it is too uncomplicated to be even remotley comparable to a robot.

a robot has subroutines which means it reacts to a situation, not a timer.

[civilian_number_two]

Jejef: Ask the folks who study robotics at MIT whether a washing machine is a robot. They will say no, despite the bland and all-encompasing definition you'll find in your dictionary. The dictionary definitions are weak and meaningless, but the word, oddly enough, still evokes an idea in the minds of the majority who hear it. And that majority does not think of waching machines. Please stop playing the pedant. You do it well, yes, but you know you're not convincing anyone.

[CowboyCurtis]

As you see the gushers will parse and use words to ANY degree to get it to mean what they want, hence this is why the PT is "perfect" and George Lucas is a "genius."

[barend]

nicely put...