[Laughlyn]

I generally stay out of this sort of thing, however Zatochi's defence of the OT is way off here.

4. How does Luke learn how to use a lightsaber? Obi-Wan had him do one drill with a little sphere, and suddenly he's good enough to hold his own against Darth Vader?

Well, because he didn't do jack squat with it in the time that takes place between the two films, now did he? I'll wager he got some practice in here and there. A lightsabre is basically a sword. How hard is to figure out how to use a sword at least a little bit on your own.

It's not technically a sword. It has no defined edge, which virtually all fencing styles depend on, and has no balance since the blade weighs nothing. Existing fighting styles wouldn't apply, and the chance of lopping you own limbs off during practice would be pretty darn high.

[Zatoichi]

Aw, you caught me. Still, existant fighting styles don't necessarily have to apply, and you can still fight with it as though it had an edge (like swinging around a stick and pretending it was a sword). Still, you got me thinking, the only part with any "physical presance" is the handle. With a simple accidental flick of the wrist you could very well end up dead or maimed (at least for a short time). I suppose with pretty good replacement limbs at least somewhat available it wasn't as much of a concern as it would be for us.

Actually, if you watch closely, you'll see that he deflects the shots rather than absorbs them...

Oooh, now I'm going to have to check that out the next time I watch. For fun of course.

When I wrote absorbs, I really wasn't sure and just kinda tossed the word out there (it seemed plausible enough)


Thanks for pointing these things out guys

[Azrael23]

Jaritan

"Lucas wrote the PT with these two things in mind- 1. how does a good person turn bad and 2. how does a democracy become a dictatorship. With that in mind, the two most important characters in the PT are Anakin and Palpatine, with every other character or event playing off them in some way. What Lucas seems to find more important is not the clone wars itself (the battles etc.) but how Palpatine sets them up. "

AZ..And all of these things could have been put into the film along with the Clone Wars. This could also have been shown as a turning point in Anakins character, not to mention add more depth in a few other Jedi characters. The truth is Anakin is the most important character, not Palpatine, but if that was what Lucas was aiming for he should have given us more scenes involving Anakin and Palpatine together, not just one in Episode 2.


"Which basically boils down to making a country fealful enough so that they'll give up their civil liberties, their rights, anything to the leader who says that he'll keep them safe. The idea of creating a war to stay in office literally happens in the film, but its a process thats happened time and again throughout history, and i'm sure you dont need reminding of the most recent example."

AZ..Thats another problem with these films, to much political elements rather than telling the story and adding character development, those should have been top priority, its Star Wars! Lucas pretty much bored the audience with far to much of it.

"Lucas took two films to cover it."

AZ. Not really. Anakins fall pretty much was covered in Episode 3, I wouldn't even say it was in Episode 2, because that incident appeared to be more isolated

"How was this glossed over?"

AZ..Anakins seduction was far to fast, even my wife who isn't even a SW fan thought it was rather quick and a drastic jump in character.

The Jedi Purge itself could have been a movie as well. All we get is a monologue and a cameo from Jett Lucas Lucas didn't do the Jedi any justice and they were wiped out far to easy, which makes them look weak.

Despite the podrace being only 10 minutes long (still to long) it wasn't needed and neither was the Droid factory ordeal. So much potential wasted, how sad.

This post has been edited by Azrael23: 17 December 2005 - 09:57 PM

[barend]

What Lucas seems to find more important is not the clone wars itself (the battles etc.) but how Palpatine sets them up.

with all due respect... these films are called STAR WARS not 'star talks'

i hate to sound like a superficial redneck, but for a set of films that really on SFX, it ceratinly skipped the better moments...

instead we get hours of computer work to animate a character that everyone hated.

and not a dime spent on the clone war itself.

How was this glossed over?

the jedicolypse?

it went for 1 minute.

which in a trillogy that had a 10 minute pod race.... yadda yadda yadda

If you add all the pre-race preparation and follow up material, it's a reel at least. Wait, does Lucas use reels anymore? I suppose the length adds credence to the weight of the "plot".

reels only last 8 minutes... so i think there's a few round tins labbled 'go-cart bit'

[Despondent]

8 minutes? seriously?

I remember watching for the little blob in the Upper right corner of the screen to indicate a reel change during the repeated ESB viewings. I was under the impression they were 20 minutes or more.

"that boy is our last hope" "no, there is ano-" They ALWAYS stepped on that line!

[barend]

like in batman with jack nicolson...

*batman escapes*
'PBPPT'
JOKER: "-those marvelous toys."





...8 minutes was the length when 'rope' was made by hitchcock.

they may have gotten a little longer.

there's an extended version of episode 1 on DVD, where the pod race goes even longer.

[jariten]

...8 minutes was the length when 'rope' was made by hitchcock.

I rented it the other day, but I havn't had a chance to put it on yet.

Kind of in Star Wars burnout...until after xmas at least. Needless to say, I have INCREDIBLE responses to ALL your criticisms of not only the PT but to EVERY FILM YOU'VE EVER SEEN EVER.

stay tuned.

[barend]

cool, when you watch rope... be sure to pay attention to the the very impressive fact that the whole film is ONE shot.

(particularily made impressive by the fact that reels only last 8 minutes)

[Travis Mays]

Rolls that get loaded into a camera, and reels that get shipped to a theater are two completely seperate things. Most 35mm films shoot with either 400 ft loads (about 4.5 min) or 1000 ft loads (about 11 min). Film reels that get shipped to theaters after the movie is edited and printed are, I think, 2000 ft (about 22 min).

Hope that clears things up.

[jariten]

cool, when you watch rope... be sure to pay attention to the the very impressive fact that the whole film is ONE shot.

(particularily made impressive by the fact that reels only last 8 minutes)

it wasn't one shot! it was several 10 min shots (with one cut).

I didn't particularly like it.

[barend]

everytime a reel needs to be changed in 'rope' someone walks infront of the camera, or the camera passed an object that takes up the whole shot...

the film is one 'virtual' shot.

it's sort of the whole point.