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#1 User is offline   Dr Lecter Icon

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Posted 12 October 2005 - 05:20 PM

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U.S. apologizes for WWII Gold Train case
Soldiers took Hungarian Jews' valuables after seizing train from Nazis

Updated: 12:51 p.m. ET Oct. 11, 2005

MIAMI - The U.S. government issued a statement of regret Tuesday for the actions of soldiers who took valuables belonging to Hungarian Jews that had been seized on a Nazi “Gold Train” during the chaotic end of World War II.

The statement issued by the U.S. Justice Department said that the government “regrets the improper conduct of certain of its military personnel” who took items that had been on the train, which was carrying jewelry, gold, artwork, Oriental rugs, china, cutlery, linens and other items.

“The United States has concluded that, although the conduct of its personnel was appropriate in most respects, it was contrary to U.S. policy and the standards expected of its soldiers” in some actions, the Justice Department statement said.

The apology was required as part of a settlement approved Sept. 26 by a federal judge in Miami between the U.S. government and about 62,000 Hungarian survivors of the Nazi Holocaust. The settlement calls for $25.5 million to be distributed to needy Jews through social service agencies around the world, with the bulk going to those in Israel, Hungary, the United States and Canada.

Little property recovered
The “Gold Train” was captured by U.S. soldiers from pro-Nazi Hungarian forces in May 1945. A U.S. investigation found in 1999 that some Army soldiers failed to return items initially “requisitioned” from the train and used in postwar offices, such as rugs, cutlery and even typewriters.

The investigation also concluded that some property was stolen from a warehouse by soldiers. Although some personnel were caught and prosecuted, little of the property was recovered.

The government did hold an auction of remaining items in 1948 to benefit Jewish relief victims after determining that it would be impossible to identify the owners of the Gold Train property and that Hungary’s then-communist government would be unlikely to cooperate.

“The United States expresses its sympathy and solidarity with these victims and hopes that the settlement approved by the district court will provide meaningful assistance to those survivors,” the Justice Department statement said.

The Bush administration was under bipartisan pressure to settle what was seen as a black mark on the U.S. record in World War II. Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., were among 17 senators who urged a resolution in a letter last year.
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That's nice, the nazis take everything they own, try to kill them all, then when the people come to 'liberate' them, they still steal everything from them. sick.gif

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Posted 12 October 2005 - 06:44 PM

Was the apology "We're sorry. Our bad."?
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Posted 12 October 2005 - 06:48 PM

No I imagine it was

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Posted 12 October 2005 - 11:11 PM

now, if only we could get america to appologise for everything else...


PS. lecter, when i said that last article was more appropriate for the debate club, i didn't mean every article you come across had to be in the debate club...
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Posted 13 October 2005 - 04:19 PM

You know, the people that had previously owned the stuff were probably dead anyways. Many of the items were auctioned off to help with Jewish relief. Quite probably whoever lost their stuff happen to be dead. Im my opinion, who cares? Let's worry more about the problems of today's world, and attempt to learn from the past.
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Posted 13 October 2005 - 06:21 PM

It's kind of the same problem Spain faced with extra conquistadors hanging around. They're violent, sometimes immoral people, and they cause problems which works great sometimes and not so great at other times.
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Posted 15 October 2005 - 07:43 AM

QUOTE (barend @ Oct 13 2005, 04:11 AM)
now, if only we could get america to appologise for everything else...
PS. lecter, when i said that last article was more appropriate for the debate club, i didn't mean every article you come across had to be in the debate club...

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 06:48 PM

I hereby blame the United States for all ills, known and unknown. If only the US had given up it's perceived moral compass centuries ago the world would be a much better place. Then we could blame some other bloke's homeland.
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Posted 15 October 2005 - 07:34 PM

Why is "some other bloke's homeland" underlined?

I thought it was a link. I must have clicked five or six times before I gave up. I feel that if something looks like a link but turns out not to be, then you can change this fact by clicking more.
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Posted 16 October 2005 - 01:34 AM

Same thing goes for the Roman Catholic Church, then we could all blame some other religion.
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Posted 16 October 2005 - 02:28 AM

I used to have a girlfriend called Link ... and if you clicked her four or five times she definitely started to change.

Cough! Sorry.

On to a more serious matter.
I would think the theft of property by so called Allies would be a major issue Zaitochi ... sorry if I spelt your name wrong.
As for the claim that the US is hereby blamed for all etc ... why the necessity to go to either extreme. I personally don't blame the States for all the world's woes, but how's about owning up to at least a few, and not in the well worn US tradition of

"We're sorry. Really sorry. Really really sorry. In fact ... no thats it, we're really sorry. What's that you say about repercussions? We said we were sorry, why the sudden insistence on payment for crimes? We're does it say that in the Lord's Book. Oh ........... well fuck that, it was written under duress by a bunch of towel heads, just be thankful we bothered to apologise pleeb. Oh and by the way, if you're not with us you're against us. God bless America"

How's about a new tradition. Where those responsible are held responsible?
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Posted 16 October 2005 - 04:31 PM

What, you mean like in our pathetic excuse for a judicial system?

I bet that if they used a combination of truth serum and lie detector tests, it would be a hell of a lot better. Then of course, lawyers and judges would probably get payed less. Well Boo frickety Hoo!
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Posted 16 October 2005 - 09:53 PM

Lie detector tests aren't reliable at all, especially enough to be used in a kangaroo court of law.
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Posted 16 October 2005 - 09:56 PM

They are quite reliable despite what television might lead you to believe. They can be beaten though. Hence the combination of items.
Apparently writing about JM here is his secret weakness. Muwahaha!!!! Now I have leverage over him and am another step closer towards my goal of world domination.

"And the Evil that was vanquished shall rise anew. Wrapped in the guise of man shall he walk amongst the innocent and Terror shall consume they that dwell upon the Earth. The skies will rain fire. The seas shall become as blood. The righteous shall fall before the wicked! And all creation shall tremble before the burning standards of Hell!" - Mephisto

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