[Otal Nimrodi]

If you have one particular thing in common with me, and you do, or you couldn't be reading this, you will probably immediately think 'of course it's that bad' but I got to thinking. Now, it's not on par with the OT, that I won't try to say. the OT is one of the best series I have ever seen. In fact, it's awful compared to OT. But the PT is I would say a quite passable series. Not worth all of the hype, but not worth all the hate either. I may just be saying this because I'm tired, but I honestly think it's not too bad. So go ahead, call me a fanboy if you want. I probably would, but if you watch it as a seperate series as opposed to a SW sequel, it's probably better than you think. But as I said, this may just be insomnia talking.

[Wayne]

Two words - Hayden Christiansen

[EwokHunter]

Six Words- Hayden Christiansen don't act in PT!!!

Three Words- Jar Jar Binks!!!

[Dorothy]

I dunno... I think there are aspects that could be interesting if the PT stood alone...I can't think of one offhand, but I'm sleepy too. But there are also a few things that would keep the PT from standing on it's own. (and because I loooove lists, here is a [short] list)

1. There were too many references to events and characters that were not developed in the PT. GL would have had to limit the introduction of secondary characters, and focus more on the main characters. Jango and Bobba would have had to been cut completely or their story vastly expanded.
2. Because GL knew that most people would recognize these events and characters, he never really bothered to develop any characters enough so that the audience would identify with/feel for them. The intended audience knew from the beginning that Anakin was Darth Vader and the Padme would probably end up being his wife/child bearer, so there was no reason to go in depth into how they fell in love, etc.
3. The acting wasn't the greatest, nor was the writing.
4. Effects that were made passable by the OT would have to stand on their own, and would further confuse the audience. The major ships and characters would not have enough cool factor to justify their existence.

I think that SW fans are just lucky that the movies were made/released in the order that they were (that is, if the PT really holds to GL's original vision for it) because were the PT released first, I don't think that the OT (as a second installment) would ever have been made.

Pirate Translation - Arr.

Edit: Arr.

This post has been edited by Dorothy: 19 September 2005 - 07:20 PM

[Otal Nimrodi]

Okay, now I know why I have had that uneasy feeling that I said something stupid.

[Zatoichi]

Honestly, made we're all just too hard on the PT. The OT is the best series and has three of the best movies of all time. The only two sets of films that can compare are Indiana Jones (well go figure) and The Lord Of The Rings (based on the undeniably best set of books ever written). There really is no other contenders. That is because most sequels fail miserably to deliver what the first has. Only the first JP was any good, the first Ninja turtles, Die Hard 1 was better, Mortal Kombat 1, etc. etc. The OT delivers one of the first sequels to live up to its predeccesor.

This post has been edited by Zatoichi: 19 September 2005 - 07:53 PM

[StarWarsIsUs]

The Lord of the Rings is equal to SW-OT in my mind. They both have shown utter brilliance in working their way to becoming all-out classics, and they will "last as long as film itself lasts". Though one is fantasy, and one is fantasy/sci-fi, they are alot alike in a few parallels: the hero fighting the evil overlord that must be overthrown, or a galaxy/world will be thrown into chaos and destruction.

Obi-Wan = Gandalf

Darth Vader and/or Emporer = Sauron

Han Solo = Aragorn

Princess Leia = Arwen

and of course: Luke = Frodo. I think the Sam Gamgee of Star Wars would take the role of two characters, which would obviously be Threepio and Artoo.

Death Star = Ring

Stormtroopers = Nazgul

Although the parallels stated above are stretching logic a bit, they are both GREAT trilogies. That is my point. They are equal. I have come to realize this.

As far as the PT goes, I thought ROTS was good, and will maybe grow to be a psuedo-classic, under the deep shadows of the already glorified Original Trilogy of Star Wars.

[WalkingCarpet]

Zatoichi, you seem to have forgotton the Back to the Future trilogy.

That's ok, no need to apologise.

[Smashman]

Just remember. The Emperor is the REAL, mostly unseen villain of the saga- like Jaws. The main villain doesn't show itself until late in the picture.

But yes, the LOTR trilogy is far better than the SW-PT.

[barend]

The Lord of the Rings is equal to SW-OT in my mind. They both have shown utter brilliance in working their way to becoming all-out classics, and they will "last as long as film itself lasts". Though one is fantasy, and one is fantasy/sci-fi, they are alot alike in a few parallels: the hero fighting the evil overlord that must be overthrown, or a galaxy/world will be thrown into chaos and destruction.

Obi-Wan = Gandalf

Darth Vader and/or Emporer = Sauron

Han Solo = Aragorn

Princess Leia = Arwen

and of course: Luke = Frodo. I think the Sam Gamgee of Star Wars would take the role of two characters, which would obviously be Threepio and Artoo.

Death Star = Ring

Stormtroopers = Nazgul

Although the parallels stated above are stretching logic a bit, they are both GREAT trilogies. That is my point. They are equal. I have come to realize this.

As far as the PT goes, I thought ROTS was good, and will maybe grow to be a psuedo-classic, under the deep shadows of the already glorified Original Trilogy of Star Wars.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

i've covered this territory in detail...

here's a quote (froma thread on a nother site which is quoted here somewhere but i can't remember where... so here it is again.

If you compare the story of the LOTR books to the SW:OT you'll see...

First installment:
1.a young hero is suddenly in possession of something belonging to the enemy, who needs to regain it. (It is given to him by a relative).
2.you have this young guy taken out of his simple farm like life by an old bearded man with powers.
3.the 'dark lord sends his elite troops out to our young heros’ home.
4.our young hero is directed to a bar, where types from all over come to meet up, drink and so forth.
5.at this place our young friend meets an older and experienced traveler sitting in a dark corner.
6.this stranger agrees to take him to where he needs to deliver this item he is in possession of. (He takes him out just as the dark lords' men attack).
7.the place to where the item is taken is not where it can be left, so our young hero must take it further and be part of the fight.
8.on their way the group must enter an enormous structure, even though they don't want to.
9.while in there, and after fighting the inhabitants, the older and wiser leader with all the powers falls in battle against a dark foe. (Funnily enough this death somehow makes the old guy more powerful).
10.the rest escape, our hero is quite upset.
11.they meet up with other allies, living in a nice woodland area that is well protected.
12. Here our heroes are given items to assist in their upcoming fight against some rather large numbers. The loss is great but our friends win the battle.

(Was I describing ANH or FOTR above??? you tell me)...

Installment 2.
(Empire strikes Back v The Two Towers)

01.our young hero decides to continue his trip on his own and leaves the group except for his trusty companion.

02.soon after leaving everyone he ends up in a dank place and meets a creepy little (almost reptile) guy with barley any hair and big eyes who has been watching them (a guy who has been alive for a few hundred years).

03.after some argument (mostly with the companion) he takes them through the swamp offering to lead them to where/who they have to get to.

04. the creepy little guy tastes our heros rations and spits it out complain about how it is insufficient and not the kind of food he eats.

05.the little weird guy leads him to a cave and lets him go in. There is something sinister waiting inside for him…

{Meanwhile…}

06.Our older hero (the one met in the bar, who took our young hero part of the way on his journey) travels to a place where an old ally is. The man they seek is the leader of the area.

07.The leader of this area is under the control of the bad guys and makes decisions based on what the bad guys want.

08. the leader of this area brakes free of the evil influence and knowing that there are large numbers of the enemies men on the way, he evacuates the city.

09.some of our separated friends are reunited.

10. we leave this middle installment with a really significant ‘to be continued’ feel, and someone paralyzed (disarmed and covered head to toe some sort of cocooning material) .

Once again another very brief run over the story, but you get the idea…

hmmm… do you think I’ll be able to find any similarities between
RETURN OF THE KING and
RETURN OF THE JEDI

I wonder…

PS starwarsisus (post 666 comming up)

[Zatoichi]

elite troops? Blaster rifle or no blaster rifle my money is on the Nazgul. Then again, they would be vastly outnumbered and everyone knows that the Nazgul can't see worth shit. They only use their connection with the ring. The one scene that has always bothered me in FOTR is when the guy jumps on his horse, and the friggin ring is right next to him. At least in the book they never got close enough to be so retarded (My 1st complaint out of a list of, five tops). On the other hand stormtroopers have lousy aim, period. Personally, I would have had Vader go down there and find Obi-wan and Luke through the force. Then send a massive army to come and kill them. But, that would have just ruined the film. That, and Vader might remember things about his past and just act like an angsty little brat the whole time. Rambly!

[Smashman]

What's funny is that most people who love the PT hate SW EU and LOTR.

I think it is very clear Lucas is deliberately trying to ruin Star Wars for some reason. I don't know why. Do you really think Irvin Kershner, Larry Kasdan or Richard Marquand would have allowed something like TPM and AOTC to get made if they had any part of it?

[Zatoichi]

Hell no!

I can't understand why many people dislike the EU. I'm not talking about the crap stuff, I'm talking about the big thick novels that occur after ROTJ. Most of these are done in neat little trilogies and such. For the New Jedi Order Era they got a lot of really talented writers for the stories. Maybe PT lovers hate the EU because it takes the discontinuities and multiplies them ten-fold.

[barend]

I dunno... I think there are aspects that could be interesting if the PT stood alone...I can't think of one offhand, but I'm sleepy too. But there are also a few things that would keep the PT from standing on it's own. (and because I loooove lists, here is a [short] list)

I can't think of any either and i'm wide awake buzzing on amphetamines.

but Dorothy's right there are too many references to the OT to stand alone, and not enough consistencies to have it belong.

it's a real fuck up as a project in general. It failed every last requirement!

things like making Padme a (n elected) Queen. WTF? really... you can't defend that shit!

Why was she a queen at all? just so stupid people would know she was going to be princess Liea's mother from the start?

'Princess' Liea wasn't even raised AS her daughter so that 'consistancy' was totally and unforgivably superfluous... and overly coincidental. I realize that conincidences are what make a story (otherwise it's just a bunch of crap that happened) but Lucas pushes it to the extreme while overlooking the places where they are really meant to be.
The whole royalty card was so poorly played out. I always like the reverse prince/pauper story that raised as a princess Liea turned out to really be the daughter of woman who fell for a pilot turned evil megalomaniac.

But no... He had to step in and say "everything you thought was cool about SW is no longer..."

The PT was beyond a doubt a conscious effort to rob SW of any credibility. George Lucas is a man who hates his own films because he is jealous of their popularity over his own.

[jariten]

Do you really think Irvin Kershner, Larry Kasdan or Richard Marquand would have allowed something like TPM and AOTC to get made if they had any part of it?

here we go again...