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Deport all who 'spit hate'
- Major
25 July 2005
People who "spit hate" at the British way of life should be deported, Tory former Prime Minister John Major said.
Mr Major spoke of the "uncomfortable reality" that many terrorists were born or lived in the UK but had been taught to hate its culture.
"There seem to be many people who, for reasons that are irrational, dislike the Anglo-Saxon way of life," he said.
He called for heavier penalties for those who incited violence at this "particularly sensitive time".
"Always difficult to balance this against freedom of speech but I think, at the moment, it is justifiable to protect the public," he argued.
Mr Major added: "As far as those who literally spit hate at our country and there are some of them - they spit hate at our country and they incite - I personally would be prepared to deport those where it is clear that what they are doing is causing civil unrest and may cost other people, as a result of that, their lives."
He also called for more CCTV cameras to deter the threat and the use of intercept evidence in courts. Interviewed on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme, Mr Major urged the Government to consult widely over new anti-terror legislation.
"They are going to have to carry people with them at this moment," he warned.
He also defended the controversial shoot-to kill policy that led to the death of Jean Charles de Menezes.
"I rather prefer the expression shoot to protect rather than shoot to kill - I think that is a more accurate description of what happened."
this is london article
- Major
25 July 2005
People who "spit hate" at the British way of life should be deported, Tory former Prime Minister John Major said.
Mr Major spoke of the "uncomfortable reality" that many terrorists were born or lived in the UK but had been taught to hate its culture.
"There seem to be many people who, for reasons that are irrational, dislike the Anglo-Saxon way of life," he said.
He called for heavier penalties for those who incited violence at this "particularly sensitive time".
"Always difficult to balance this against freedom of speech but I think, at the moment, it is justifiable to protect the public," he argued.
Mr Major added: "As far as those who literally spit hate at our country and there are some of them - they spit hate at our country and they incite - I personally would be prepared to deport those where it is clear that what they are doing is causing civil unrest and may cost other people, as a result of that, their lives."
He also called for more CCTV cameras to deter the threat and the use of intercept evidence in courts. Interviewed on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme, Mr Major urged the Government to consult widely over new anti-terror legislation.
"They are going to have to carry people with them at this moment," he warned.
He also defended the controversial shoot-to kill policy that led to the death of Jean Charles de Menezes.
"I rather prefer the expression shoot to protect rather than shoot to kill - I think that is a more accurate description of what happened."
this is london article
thanks to Despondent for this one
"I rather prefer the expression shoot to protect rather than shoot to kill - I think that is a more accurate description of what happened."
the whole point of 'shoot to kill' is a single bullet to the head to prevent unwanted detonation when the target is to far to incapacitate manually.
Jean Charles de Menezes tripped over and was pinned to the ground, THEN shot five times in the head...
of course he apparently ran... in that situation i think he knew what was comming.
'shoot to protect' indeed...
He called for heavier penalties for those who incited violence at this "particularly sensitive time".
and having the press and everyone else constantly making references to the past attacks of the IRA should probably be placed in the poo poo bin too.... you think?
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Ultimatley, what we have here is a fucked situation.
western civilization has always lived in fear that it would become like '1984', 'fareheit 451', 'equelibrium' etc. and now those that oppose are serving as a catalist to that very near possibility.
alot of opinions are going to flood in here, but before everyone jumps in and spouts whatever i think my opinion was best summed up on another forum...
here it is:
QUOTE ("Barend")
i think my feelings on this are best summed up by the "dicks, assholes, pussies" speach in team america.
i hate every group involved.
i hate all religious extreemists, be they muslim, christian, or one of those wankers from a pepsi max comercial.
because they, just like the estaqblishments they oppose, have an unbeleivable tendancy to believe that there is something right about targeting civillians.
i'm really over this shit, because there are so many goddamned hands in the cookie jar that i don't know which one to bite anymore...
between US troops pulling people out of their homes and torturing them for being of "military age" and psychoes video taping the beheadings of civilians, i hope both sides find some convinient manner of co-operative death that involves no civilians so i can go back to complaining about how western mainsteam civilization is crushing the human spirit without havening to worry about being killed by someone who agrees with me but feels more strongly about it...
i hate every group involved.
i hate all religious extreemists, be they muslim, christian, or one of those wankers from a pepsi max comercial.
because they, just like the estaqblishments they oppose, have an unbeleivable tendancy to believe that there is something right about targeting civillians.
i'm really over this shit, because there are so many goddamned hands in the cookie jar that i don't know which one to bite anymore...
between US troops pulling people out of their homes and torturing them for being of "military age" and psychoes video taping the beheadings of civilians, i hope both sides find some convinient manner of co-operative death that involves no civilians so i can go back to complaining about how western mainsteam civilization is crushing the human spirit without havening to worry about being killed by someone who agrees with me but feels more strongly about it...
i think this is one of those articles that will turn into a debate, but i don't think it needs to be moved IMHO...
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