[Darth Player]

So Obi Wan finishes off Grievous with little or no trouble in retrospect, although he doesn't use the Force ability to simply push him off the landing platform or throw a hunk of something or other at him and get on to more important things. He boards Grievous' ship, a unique design, maybe the only one like it in the Galaxy, custom fitted and built to his unique needs. And the ship has a life support system for Obi Wan. How interesting since Grievous doesn't seem to need to breathe. He exited his battlecrusier and walked along the deck in the void of space with no problem, but his personal ship seems to have been outfitted with life support for a being that doesn't require it. Such systems take up room, add weight, and diminish range if installed and take room that would go to extra weapons, navigation systems, or more engines. God, these movies suck......

[yourUsername]

Did they build the ship from scratch specifically for Grievous, or just use an already built one and fit it more to his needs?

And why the f*ck would a Star Wars character need to worry about range and all that garbage? Why does an X-Wing need wings? Should they take the noise of the spaceships away while they travel in space, too?

[barend]

actually this brings up a point...

DOES GREVIOUS NEED TO BREATH OR NOT?

he seems to be fine in space...
but he's coughing throughout most of the movie.

does he breathe the liquid his heart sits in? if so, why does he not gargle with his deminished repitory ability?

[WalkingCarpet]

Synonyms of the word Grievous........

dire
heinous
dreadful
terrible

Yep, I think Lucas got the name just right.

[Commodore]

Excellent point, Player.
Grievous doesn't seem to have any lungs...what exactly did Mace crush in Clone Wars? Maybe his lungs are sealed in his armor, allowing him to survive in vacuum...

[Darth Player]

Thanks Commodore, Barend, and Walking Carpet. Starwars.com states that Grievous' vitals, or what's left of them are self contained in a liquified sac, which is fine, but in the vacuum of space, wouldn't his eyes need some kind of protection, otherwise whatever vital fluids circulate for him to be able to live would be sucked out. Its another not fully thought out concept that adds to many others rushed to the screen. If he's made of metal, then I assume whatever damage Mace Windu inflicted upon him could be easily undone or replaced, he's a droid after all. Interesting how his cough is on again, off again, never interfering when he punches the window to escape the ship or duels Obi Wan. Yet another excuse for a CGI character that ends up sucking.

In addition, he's worse in dueling with four lightsabers than other fighters with just one. Why not give him a Darth Maul double bladed knock-off sabre, and why is Maul the only one who uses one of those, no other Sith taking it up? It would be a good thing to have in the arsenal if there are only two Sith.

[yourUsername]

I assumed that they were still in Coruscant's atmosphere when Grievous went outside the ship. That's why the ship fell, too. Grievous could handle that sort of punishment (like the Hulk!), but the conditions weren't exactly the void of space. I'm pretty sure that the official story is along these lines.

[Commodore]

I checked Star Wars: Incredible Cross-Sections while I was browsing at the bookstore, and Grievious' ship does indeed have life support. Odd...if he can survive in vacuum, why not ditch the life support to improve his ship's performance? SWICS said that it was "battered" because Grievious "prefers hand to hand combat" to piloting. Hmmm...that sure doesn't stack with what we saw in the movie.

[Giff]

Perhaps the life support systems were put in place in case the Chancellor was there when it happened.

[andy_k_250]

actually this brings up a point...

DOES GREVIOUS NEED TO BREATH OR NOT?

he seems to be fine in space...
but he's coughing throughout most of the movie.

does he breathe the liquid his heart sits in? if so, why does he not gargle with his deminished repitory ability?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

"A twisted melding of flesh and metal, General Grievous' body is a deadly weapon forged by the cutting edge developers of the Confederacy. Grievous' living matter was encased within his precision-engineered artificial body; inside the hardened carapace beat the heart of a remorseless killer. A pressurized gut-sack held his vital organs, while his skull-like mask contained his living eyes and brain. Making the horrific amalgam more unpleasant was a persistent wet, hacking cough coming from his ravaged lungs." - StarWars.com

[Hari Seldon]

"A twisted melding of flesh and metal, General Grievous' body is a deadly weapon forged by the cutting edge developers of the Confederacy. Grievous' living matter was encased within his precision-engineered artificial body; inside the hardened carapace beat the heart of a remorseless killer. A pressurized gut-sack held his vital organs, while his skull-like mask contained his living eyes and brain. Making the horrific amalgam more unpleasant was a persistent wet, hacking cough coming from his ravaged lungs." - StarWars.com

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

In the movie his cough was anything but "wet".
Although it would have been nice to see him spit out some green ones.

[barend]

A pressurized gut-sack held his vital organs?

gut-sack?

there's a component to an intergrated cybernetic system called a "gut-sack"

Organ Incubation Unit.
Bio-LS-casing.
Preserved Organics Chamber.
Cardio-Respitory anything!!!!

gut-sack!!!!

that's so lame it's not funny!!!


EDIT: additional

why would you even bother maintaining heart and lungs? what ever happened to him was pretty messed up...

if it were me? once the penis was gone, i think i'd purge all but the brain...

just a brain incased in liquid with artificial-respitory aid to oxygenate it, sitting deeply armoured in the chest of a ten foot tall killing machine. some ranged weapons attached, a jet pack built in, and infra-red/thermal/nocturnal/UV/X-ray/ruby lensed artificial eyes.

This post has been edited by barend: 29 June 2005 - 09:36 PM

[jariten]

dear OP- I think you’ve cut through to the cold, dead heart of this terrible movie. I’m surprised Chefelf didn’t discover that little nugget for himself.

[yourUsername]

Lucas seems to have this theme through his Star Wars that has to do with the machine, and whatever metaphor that implies, taking over the human part of a person. That's why we got the hands being cut off of Anakin and Luke. Luke resisted the detachment from life that the machine part brings to a person, whereas Anakin became half-machine. I think Grievous being most machine was supposed to signify something along those lines. His gut sack has him only retaining that which makes him "alive" in the strictest sense of the word.

[showmethemoney]

It`s amazing how the PT movies get explained from outside information.
i'll make a movie with just one freeze scene (a picture) and then i`m gonna explain and develop the characters in comics, the web, etc...