[Zatoichi]

Alright, here is the ark

Noah's Ark:
starting at Genesis 6:14 "Make your self an ark with ribs of cypress;cover it with reeds and coat it inside and out with pitch. This is to be its design: the length of the ark is to be three hundred cubits, its breadth fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits. You are to make a roof for the ark, giving it a fall of one cubit when complete; put a door in the side of the ark, and build tree decks, lower, middle, and upper."

"No precise modern equivalents can be given for the units of measurement, weight, and value used in the ancient world, which themselves varied at different times, in different places, and in different contexts of use."
Here is an approximation though:
A cubit (short) = 0.45 meters = 1.48 feet
A cubit (long) = 0.525 meters = 1.722 feet
I'm going to use the longer one for arguments sake. Therefore the ark was approximately:
516.6 feet long
86.1 feet wide
51.66 feet tall
There was three seperate decks, and a roof. Since ships aren't made like boxes, the width of different decks would be different. The ship was probably built with the help of slaves, and Noah probably had years in which to do so. The animals could have been coming to the ark nearly the entire time. Using this information, and my theory about the flood, it is very probable that this had occured.

And you thought fanboys were good.

[Slade]

But then you're still trying to get every animal that existed at the time in twos. Good luck getting animals from any part of the world that wasn't where Noah was, and all of the large natural predators...

And God should totally have said to have Noah build two upper decks, just to confuse him.

[Jordan]

I don't think the animals would live comfortably in the ark during the building of it.

I think NOah COULD have build the ark because it's really not a traditional boat, but a large floating thing. All it had to do was float not move.

Some times I think during Noahs time most creatures were really small. But books say that animals are getting smaller every year, back then every thing was huge.

IT does sound a little crazy. But if the flood was bullshit- then I think the bible would be worthless. IT keeps saying it's the word of God, why would that contain a fairy tale?

This post has been edited by Jordan: 21 October 2005 - 11:38 AM

[Zatoichi]

Quite possibly, because others were in the position to act in the name of God, and misrepesented Him (I've spouted some theories and I'm sticken to 'em).

edit: Oooh, I just thought of a modern example or two. The Pope and Presedent (sadly) George (could be easily replaced by a monkey) W. Bush.

This post has been edited by Zatoichi: 21 October 2005 - 11:55 AM

[Slade]

Because it's people who say that it's the word of God. There's already been view points on the validity of the Old Testament stated, and I'm not going to be redundant about them. It's not that it nullifys the OT. There are some good parables and messages in there, you just need to understand the concept of mythology and not confuse it with history.

Why would every single creature on earth be smaller than today? And what books say that animals are getting smaller? (My cat would disagree with you. He's a beast.)

[Spoon Poetic]

Oops, I said cedar. I meant cypress.

[civilian_number_two]

(People did not usually make up stories with people, places, and/or plots that people didn't at least recognize, as they would not be able to relate to them.)

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Yes they did. The Garden of Eden, Atlantis, Asgard, Shangri-La, and Heaven.

Ah, heck. I'm not just gonna keep hammering on about this. I don't believe there was ever a world-wide Flood, or that we survived as a species by building a boat. For the record, Jordan, a ship that could survive a storm that could add 2.6 billion cubic meters of water to the Earth in 40 days, would have to do a lot more than float. That kind or rain would sink an aircraft carrier.

Thanks for the deets on the scale, Z: I thought it was much bigger than that. Those details make it more likely that it could have been built (tho it would have been the largest ship ever built for several more centuries), more likely that it would sink, and a lot less likely that it could have contained even the larva of the several million species of insects, not to mention polar bears, pythons and kangaroos. (Hey; where did he keep the termites?)

I also don't believe in Troy, or Babel, or Camelot. The myths existed before the places were found to validate them.

[Jordan]

If it had proper runoff and drainage then it could manage.

2.6 billion cubic meters - is that a calcualted number on how much volume of rain would be needed to flood the earth?

[civilian_number_two]

That's adding only 5180m to the polar radius of the Earth (the smallest radius; I wasnted to err on the side of conservation, rather than on the side of exaggeration), and then just enough water to cover Mount Ararat. There are actually mountains higher than that.

You know how when we have a few centimeters of rain in a day everyone freaks and we issue small craft warnings? 5180m in 40 days is 130 cm every 24 hours over every square meter on the face of the entire planet. That wooud be pretty much the strongest, thickest storm ever recorded. I bet the sheer weight of the rainfall would be enough to kill all those small birds that Noah must have been keeping below decks. This kind of storm would make Katrina look like a breeze.

This post has been edited by civilian_number_two: 21 October 2005 - 08:15 PM

[Revan-47]

I think one of George Lucas's son's wrote the Bible. at least yesterday they did.

[Jordan]

That does seem like shit load of water. The downfall would be as thick as water coming out of your shower head.

I guess if you're going to buy the story, you need to also include God's divine hand. Because another qeustion with no physical explanation is- where did all the water go too?

I have a book here that gives so explanations. If you want me to type it all out I will, but you better read it because it will be a lot of typing.

[Slade]

That is a big indication to summarize, Jordan.

[barend]

don't forget the fermament...

[Zatoichi]

If it had proper runoff and drainage then it could manage. 

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Yeah, it's called a roof. A roof that is slanted on each side. The water would runoff. Whereas on an aircraft carrier, which is generally flat. Would have a very big water problem. (This is actually a response to Civ.)

[barend]

But then you're still trying to get every animal that existed at the time in twos. Good luck getting animals from any part of the world that wasn't where Noah was, and all of the large natural predators...

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That's not so hard...

remember, all things swimming were pretty much sorted. (in fact for 40 days and night there they really had their pick of the litter).

Dinasaurs were expected to fend for themselves which is why only the alagator, the crocodile, and nessy survived.

Methuselah probably helped build the ark... he didn't make it to the flood as he died just before reaching his 970th birthday...

but Noah had three sons, and with the rest of the world teasing them as they worked i'm pretty sure it made them hammer and saw faster out of anger... so they probably got it built way ahead of shedule.