QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ Jun 21 2005, 11:17 PM)
OK then. I always thought virginity had something to do with carnal knowledge, some overblown religious notion and all that. If masturbation in your eyes is the same as sex, then I suppose then wet dreams would also qualify. Or maybe ejaculation isn't even necessary; perhaps just thinking about sex makes one no longer a virgin. Hell, if you're going to make a big deal about "virgin" just meaning "pristine," then I suppose we all lose our virginity the first time we get a boo-boo on our elbow.
Anyway, I choose to use the word the way everyone else uses it. And since your definition involves some moralistic comment about men being "users," I think you might want to fall back as well. Because the territory you're entering is hard to defend.
I was not being “moralistic” I was being technical. Men are unchanged by copulation, or at least no more changed by it then they are masturbation.
The female on the other hand is changed, there is an alien fluid in her body and various tissues and membranes have been altered and there may be even more substantial changes later. If you prefer we can say that Men are the changer women are the ones changed, but this is merely semantics.
As fair as thinking about sex goes, one does not ingest calories by thinking about food.
There is a tangible difference between ejaculating and not ejaculating. But there is not a tangible difference between ejaculating via copulation and ejaculating via masturbation for the male.
PS Go for it Lord Melkor!
I find that relationships generally work better when the male is a bit older than the female, but that is of course a generalization.