Satanism: spillover from Star Wars fan forum Believe it or not
#31
Posted 04 September 2005 - 02:28 PM
#32
Posted 04 September 2005 - 06:10 PM
"civilian_number_two is a good man; he is nice to children and free with gifts. I think I can hold him up as an example of a person who does good things."
Now tell me: couldn't you say that even if there were no cases of rape and torture to present as counterexamples? Couldn't you have "good" and "less good," or "good" and "nicel?" Are you saying that because I am nice to children and free with gifts, THAT is why there is suffering in the world? because if you can prove it, I'll stop doing those things. That should clear up all that rape and torture, right?
I don't think in order for a thing, or even a concept, to exist you need to have an example of its extreme opposite. It starts to get ridiculous when you really pin it down, like in order to have the Earth we need something that is the exact opposite of Earth (liike Bizarro world), and in order to have abundance of food we need hunger somewhere. The former example is an absurdity, for which I apologize; that latter example, widely held, is total bullshit.
#33
Posted 04 September 2005 - 07:03 PM
civ's right stan...
if there were more good people than evil, traffic wouldn't be so bad because people would car-pool, or catch the bus to trim down polution and undue stress on the working public rather than being the selfish c***s they are!!!
and a majority of people would not not enjoy top 40 music or watch reality TV!!!
(yes, that's right... midrifts are ALL going to hell)
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#35
Posted 04 September 2005 - 11:24 PM
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#36
Posted 12 September 2005 - 11:05 PM
Also "good" and "evil" work on many different levels.
There may very well be more "good" people than "bad", but I doubt it. Even if there was as along as "bad" people hold the power and use the convictions of the "good" people to keep themselves in power, then the world would still be a "bad" place.
I think it is impossible for anyone to be completely "good" or completely "evil", even for God and Satan.
"And the Evil that was vanquished shall rise anew. Wrapped in the guise of man shall he walk amongst the innocent and Terror shall consume they that dwell upon the Earth. The skies will rain fire. The seas shall become as blood. The righteous shall fall before the wicked! And all creation shall tremble before the burning standards of Hell!" - Mephisto
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#38
Posted 12 September 2005 - 11:42 PM
"And the Evil that was vanquished shall rise anew. Wrapped in the guise of man shall he walk amongst the innocent and Terror shall consume they that dwell upon the Earth. The skies will rain fire. The seas shall become as blood. The righteous shall fall before the wicked! And all creation shall tremble before the burning standards of Hell!" - Mephisto
Kurgan X showed me this web comic done with Legos. It pokes fun at all six Star Wars films and I found it to be extremely entertaining.
<a href="http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cast/starwars.html" target="_blank">http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cast/starwars.html</a>
#39
Posted 13 September 2005 - 12:28 AM
I've wandered into the middle of this debate, so forgive me if i'm behind. Imagine a world were everyone was hungry. There would be no "hunger", just this one single state of being. You can only make a concrete statement like "i'm hungry" if you know what it feels like to not be hungry. So, stan was right in a sense. Evil, the concept at least, can't exist unless we can label what its opposite is.
#40
Posted 13 September 2005 - 12:50 AM
I apologized ahead of time for being stupid back there, so no apologies now. I still say it's stupid tp justify "evil" by saying that it's only a concept and that without it we wouldn't have "good," in the same way that we need "up" for "down" and "hot" for "cold." Why say I this? I think my last example should have explained it: we could feed everyone in this world, right now, but we don't and the why, apart from evil and laziness, is this: there are enough people sold on this dualistic universal outlook that they actually believe that in order for some to be well-fed, mass hungeris necessary. For some to enjoy wealth, others must live in abject poverty. These are not true statements; just because the thing is, does not mean it is natural, or should be. The best break-down of this problem should be the simple thought-experiment: you and your friends are the last six people on Earth, stranded in the farm belt of the United States. Two of you decide to eat like pigs. In order for that to be possible, how many of the others must starve to death? (hint: the answer is zero)
I agree that in a world where more people were good, there might be a different standard for evil. Like if we distributed wealth better than we might say that serial killers and rapists were evil, instead of, like we do now, concluding that corporations are sociopathic and that the business model of North America sees third world poverty and violence as a simple necessity of of the capitalist equation. Frankly, I'd rather that stuff were not there so we could focus on the killers and rapists.
That serious enough for you, Z?
#41
Posted 13 September 2005 - 01:06 AM
I think that a monarchy whose duty is to the people (not feudalism mind you), combined with the conventions of several other forms of government would work best to solve the problem.
"And the Evil that was vanquished shall rise anew. Wrapped in the guise of man shall he walk amongst the innocent and Terror shall consume they that dwell upon the Earth. The skies will rain fire. The seas shall become as blood. The righteous shall fall before the wicked! And all creation shall tremble before the burning standards of Hell!" - Mephisto
Kurgan X showed me this web comic done with Legos. It pokes fun at all six Star Wars films and I found it to be extremely entertaining.
<a href="http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cast/starwars.html" target="_blank">http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cast/starwars.html</a>
#42
Posted 13 September 2005 - 01:42 AM
people take it way too literally.
evil can exist just fine without good, and vice versa.
but good and evil exists in all of us so it is unlikely to have only one or the other.
plus good without evil to triuph over would be boring.
and evil without good to victimise would be less funny.
how did we even get on good and evil?
there's nothing about satanism that is any more evil than christianity...
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#43
Posted 14 September 2005 - 01:29 AM
Well I agree with you here of course. I was really only trying to argue semantics.
#44
Posted 14 September 2005 - 11:29 PM
And Civ's thing was right. Also its interesting that this thread was revived, as it was pointless in the first place.