The debate forum declaration of independence We're forming our own government!
#62
Posted 26 January 2005 - 07:06 PM
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#63
Posted 26 January 2005 - 08:07 PM
vote for me.
or get beaten up.
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#64
Posted 26 January 2005 - 08:32 PM
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Posted 26 January 2005 - 08:34 PM
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#66
Posted 26 January 2005 - 09:21 PM
You cannot codify a dictatorship. Even Soviet Russia under the most crippling tyranny of the Stalinist era had the Stalin Constitution, even if they did not adhere to it. To codify a dictatorship is to openly invite civil war and destabilise the country in the long run. Dictatorship is not an option in these circumstances because we all have our fair and equal say. Shame on you, HofMarN, for laying down in the face of unbridled power!
If anything, the job of the dictatorial triumvirate is to go along with the democratic methods within this constitution writing process and then usurp any flaws in it afterwards - if possible - to their own ends. That will test not only the ability of those individuals to disrupt the process of a rational constitution settlement but also test the methods that will doubtless be put in place by the constitution to prevent such an occurance.
My vote it firmly with the democratic way of thinking, and i will not, even for the last drop of blood in my body, lie down and accept dictatorship!
#67
Posted 26 January 2005 - 09:29 PM
Some body or group (supes, barend, Madam) need to come out and layout the foundations. The rest need to sit back and then anaylize.
It's basic design process people.
What's the Problem, what is the need?
Once we've figured that out, then the real work can begin.
What are our limitations, what do we have to work with, what are the potential obstacles, etc...
Then from that we build a model. And then analysis of the model can begin. Break it down into smaller components and solve each on indivdually.
the design cycle is indeed a cyclye. You keep going in a loop of analysis/systhsis. At the end of each iteration, you ask yourself "have addressed the problem?"
#68
Posted 26 January 2005 - 10:04 PM
Anyhow, since only three people are in favor and we have six opposed that gives the people supporting a democratic form of government a two thirds majority. I think we need a leader for our convention, and I'd like to be that leader. I ask for my party's support, and that of all other delegates, in seeking the position of prime minister of the Debatian parliament.
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#69
Posted 26 January 2005 - 10:48 PM
~ Voltaire (1694-1778)
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Posted 27 January 2005 - 01:39 AM
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Posted 27 January 2005 - 01:46 AM
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#72
Posted 27 January 2005 - 02:34 AM
But the democracy thing is still rather feeble, huh? SO I am relying on you folks on being lazy and just accept what Barend, Supes and me have come up with:
You see, Slade, things really won’t be that bad under the joint supervision of Barend, Supes and me. I have given it a serious thought and here how it all will be organised.
First of all, Barend is our Evil man, so since he is used to this, we’ll keep it that way. So he will be made responsible for all the unpopular decisions (see his post above with set of punishable activities!). We will all be saying, Gee, folks, sure we would revoke this law, but the Evil Barend does not allow us, and the army supports him! So he will be the scapegoat, something to hate for the masses (they need it!).
Now Supes here, he is really a good looking guy. Let him grow hair a little (none of this crew cut look!), dress in blue and send round on conventions. He will sweet talk the ladies, hold babies and shake hands with guys. Our own Supes-hero! Everyone will love him! He’ll make speeches like there’s not tomorrow and play golf. Everyone will identify with him.
Well, as to me, I am not much to look at and I am a woman. They will be saying that I am kept in the triumvirate for political correctness only and officially I will wield no power whatsoever. But in fact, it will be me who will orchestrate the whole country.
I will keep the taxes low, make sure that the citizens have the access to reliable and cheap public transport.
I will control all the quangos and use them wisely, so all my enemies will be placated and would never stir a finger to overthrow us.
I will introduce obligatory empathy courses in primary and secondary school. The rate of mugging and theft will therefore be radically decreased.
I will introduce the book “1000 things you never wanted to know about sex but was forced to know” as a compulsory read for teenagers in school and I am sure the pregnancy rate among teenagers will also decrease dramatically.
And I am willing to listen to any sensible propositions. Ok, and I will keep the parliament, the TV transmission are cheaper than producing another soap opera, and they are equally popular.
#73
Posted 27 January 2005 - 03:04 AM
Your idea is ingenious and delightfully cynical, but I still won't buy it. You may make me laugh and cry at the same time (as all humor in this vein does), but I'm not going to live under the rule of a bunch of dictators. Maybe I've just read too much Orwell and seen too much of the world, but I'm not budging.
Unless you give me lots and lots of quangos. I don't know/care what they are, I just want some.
Why not just tell the teens to use birth control or abstain? (Yeah right. Abstain... Like that would ever work.)
#74
Posted 27 January 2005 - 04:18 AM
it's a choice between a dictatorship and getting beaten up.
but once we're in you'll thank us...
but seriously...
the way i see the joint venture tri-dictatorship is as MC said but define a little more...
The SupCorBar Coalition.
NAME: Supes
AREA: GOOD
DEPT: Dicplomacy
Signet:
NAME: Madam Corvax
AREA: NEUTRAL
DEPT: Democracy*
Signet:
NAME: Barend
AREA: EVIL
DEPT: Autocracy
Signet:
*all things that you love about it anyway (like being lead to beleive you have choice and freedom- by dangeling superficial options in your face)
As you can see all areas are covered, by our ruling government.
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#75
Posted 27 January 2005 - 04:28 AM
But I am glad you warm up to the idea of triumvirate. You see, if people have wide roads and clean cities, who would need freedom of speech? A bunch of geeky dissidents, an absolute minority, and there are always dissatisfied people in every system, so it doesn’t count.
Well, in my country they overthrew the communism not because the freedom of speech was violated, but because there was not enough pork and ham in shops. I swear this is the truth.
As to teaching birth control, well, you can’t really. This is immoral, you see. You are not the one to support the civilisation of death, are you? This wouldn’t go down very well with the religious zealots, and religion is really important factor in controlling people. If you show people how to do it in a safe way, they will do it, only they will forget the safety part and there you are, stuck with the problem. And as you admit yourself, abstinence never works. So the only thing is to use a deterrent, so nobody would WANT to do it.
What sort of quangos are you interested in?. I would put you in charge of public transport- lots and lots of lucrative contracts to be got for your friends and family, they are always repairing roads and buying new carriages. I would throw in being in charge of permits to exploit natural resources – you wouldn’t turn that down, would you?
In lieu of SupCorBar Coalition
Madam Corvax
P.S. I am also preparing propositions for JM and Jordan, if they are interested.
This post has been edited by Madam Corvax: 27 January 2005 - 04:28 AM