[Stongbah]

Just wondering: what the hell is going on?

[Hannibal]

[Hannibal]

From the Church of St.George Lucas on 4th Ave, Modesto, Ca...

[Hannibal]

huh what...Tiny invisible...what...bad things...midichlorians are just a plot the government made up to sell you disinfectants and soaps...

[Vwing]

Just wondering: what the hell is going on?

You know, I thought that I knew, but I just have no idea

[Vwing]

I know that there are many other people who think like that, as I said, I had a very nice email discussion with one of the people whose ideas you've used in this thread, David Brin. Civilian Number 2 posted the same thing about 6 months back, I read it, emailed Brin about it, he emailed me back, not saying how I was a moron who couldn't accept other people's ideas, but saying he very much respected by ideas, the way I put them together cogently, and he then went on to logically defend his points. It was a very fun, very productive discussion, ON THE SAME TOPIC! Why can't you just do what he did and discuss this?

Jariten criticizes you, and you again don't respond by yourself, you need to paste what something else said to respond for you, and it DIDN'T EVEN ADDRESS HIS POINT. The fact is, through all of these posts that include almost none of your own ideas and opinions, you proved what he said that this is not a new issue. By arguing that so many other people hold your same opinion, you yourself realize that this is not a new issue. And yet you argue with Jariten, saying that his basic agreement with what you have been doing is in itself flawed. You're contradicting yourself, so please, just tell us, is this a fresh issue, or is it an old issue done by many people? And again, just discuss. That's all I'm asking. Don't tell. Discuss.

[Hannibal]

Obiwan Kenobi realized...

[Hannibal]

Face it...

George Lucas is obsessed with nazis...

Whether it is Indiana Jones and the Holy Grail...

or the infinite amount of Nazi, Naziesque, and Nazi-ish references throughout Star Wars...

This presents a problem...

The Jedi actually do resemble Himmler's special SS Knights, from the training of children to the blood test, to the Jedi Council round table of knights, to the use of the Jedi/SS for the government and of course George Lucas has admitted his inspirations. These are the same inspirations of Himmler's fantasies.

Wagner...the Holy Grail...the Knights Templar...Aryan mythology...

Even the language of the white people in Star Wars is runic...

There is so much aryanism in Star Wars when you look at it, its almost comical.

From the choice of Alec Guiness (Hitler in the Last 10 Days)to play the Star Wars Jesus figure (Parsifal), to Liam Neeson (Shindler)to be the Jedi black sheep who dispenses fascistic pseudoreligious nonsense is perverted.

Leaving out all the racial stereotypes, its obvious that Lucas and his Gnostic Jedi philosophies are perfectly synthesized into any neonazi or neofascist's ideology.

At this point we now hear George Lucas tell us that Darth Vader, in a way, is the hero of the story, and that this Hitleresque madman, genocidal maniac who chokes people with telekinesis, cuts off his son's hand, tortures his daughter and her fiancee(soon to be son in law), kills millions of people, gets to go to Jedi Heaven and be redeemed--just because he throws the emperor into a shaft?

Its proposterous!

And insane.

He whimsically throws out these ideas like confetti, with no questioning of the morality or rationality of what is going on. Like clone armies...it wasn't a matter of the ethics of cloning, it was about "who ordered the clones and who payed for it?"

There are truly so many awful things in Star Wars it makes me cringe to think I was such a big fan. You get older and you do some reading and you find these things...

However, I still think wookiees are cool.

[Stongbah]

And that proves that Star Wars is linked to the Free Masons! Don't buy into that crazy conspirast JM because he'd just tell you some lies about antivampires to hide you from the TRUTH. I'm here to convince every one the truth, but they're either linked to the Masons or brainwashed by them!

[J m HofMarN]

Lookit what I can do I can post images to accompany my non-sensical ramblings...

Juice drinker... Caramel corn... Lucas in bed with communists... tortilla chip... Crap dip... it's all tiny and invisible...

Soap maker....

[J m HofMarN]

Don't listen to Strongbah! Star Wars is all about me, Don Jarret De Virginia! It's about how I ride around on a horse and jab at windmills with my lance. Would a goodly knight as me ever lie? Nay I say, Nay!

[J m HofMarN]

This is honestly the funniest topic yet. Pictures of Nazis, American soldiers, Checkpoints, George Lucas, Random storm troopers and Darth Vader dressed as a priest. I just scrolled through it, catching the occasional word about Alice in Wonderland and the jewish conspiracy. I have to say that you, Hannibal, Are in a class of star wars fans all your own. The Prequel haters can make logical arguments and back their points wi th facts or at least opinions. The prequel lovers can do the same and we've seen excellent work from Jariten even in the face of overwhelming odds (Kudos to you Jariten) But now we have the third party who consists of you and goes about posting random photos and conspiracy theories. It's even scarier because you write these long diatribes that make no sense and seem to think they're some kind of spectacular manifesto.

[Hannibal]

That's funny I don't seem to recall ever mentioning the Freemasons...oh I get it...

You have selected #6: Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.

or perhaps #5: Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.


The old "this guy's a conspiracy nut" and martians killed JFK schtick...

Well, there you have it. I gave my opinions, and where there's more articles to post to show you that poor little Hannibal is not the only one observing some of these things and there's a treasure trove of facts, we'll just go back to claiming that George Lucas is a genius and its all this mystical Jospeph Campbell mythology and Lucas is one of the greatest filmmakers of all time...a true american hero of mystical propotions.

I may have a strange sense of humor, but it allows me to easily overcome any mockery and goading.( and this wouldn't be the first time I've seen reactions to my ideas). Its so easy to simply dismiss the obvious I know, and sure its fun.

I never asked anyone to believe me, I am simply saying: Take a look at this, wink wink, nudge, nudge...isn't this kind of funny...



You think I'm funny? Do I amuse you?


I'm sorry you don't see the connections with the pics I post to lighten the "discussion"(hardly a discussion) but that's your loss.

So far, for most people I can see, but not all, it is an absolute immediate reactionary response which is so predictable.

You wonder why I carry on?

Because out there are a few of you who have considered these things which I insanely proport, and because of the irrational and juvenile mockery "FREEMASONS!CONSPIRACY THEORY!HAHAHAHA" which is a staple, almost scripted, automatic, and inherent, the few will not respond.

Its all right, I rarely ever get pissed off anymore, so post whatever jibberish you like.

The point of view I share may in the minority, but that's okay.

You can agree, or disagree, the others who post bullshit are clearly seen as nothing less than what they are: irrational reactionaries with no intelligent thought. No reasonable or credible answer to the various points I have made.

Have fun, because I intend to...

However, you predictable statements about UFOs and Freemasons only make you look foolish, its almost hard to believe people still fall back on responses like that these days, but I guess...there it is.




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Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation

Note: The first rule and last five (or six, depending on situation) rules are generally not directly within the ability of the traditional disinfo artist to apply. These rules are generally used more directly by those at the leadership, key players, or planning level of the criminal conspiracy or conspiracy to cover up.

1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don't discuss it -- especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it's not reported, it didn't happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.

2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the "How dare you!" gambit.

3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such "arguable rumors". If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a "wild rumor" which can have no basis in fact.

4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.

7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could so taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.

8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough "jargon" and "minutiae" to illustrate you are "one who knows", and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

10. Associate opponent charges with old news. A derivative of the straw man usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with. Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial contingency plans. Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground uncovered, can usually them be associated with the original charge and dismissed as simply being a rehash without need to address current issues -- so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source.

11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions. Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the "high road" and "confess" with candor that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made -- but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which, "just isn't so." Others can reinforce this on your behalf, later. Done properly, this can garner sympathy and respect for "coming clean" and "owning up" to your mistakes without addressing more serious issues.

12. Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to loose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues.

13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards with an apparent deductive logic in a way that forbears any actual material fact.

14. Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best for items qualifying for rule 10.

15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.

16. Vanishing evidence and witnesses. If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won't have to address the issue.

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can "argue" with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how "sensitive they are to criticism".

19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the "play dumb" rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.

21. Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor, or other empowered investigative body. Subvert the (process) to your benefit and effectively neutralize all sensitive issues without open discussion. Once convened, the evidence and testimony are required to be secret when properly handled. For instance, if you own the prosecuting attorney, it can insure a Grand Jury hears no useful evidence and that the evidence is sealed an unavailable to subsequent investigators. Once a favorable verdict (usually, this technique is applied to find the guilty innocent, but it can also be used to obtain charges when seeking to frame a victim) is achieved, the matter can be considered officially closed.

22. Manufacture a new truth. Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively.

23. Create bigger distractions. If the above does not seem to be working to distract from sensitive issues, or to prevent unwanted media coverage of unstoppable events such as trials, create bigger news stories (or treat them as such) to distract the multitudes.

24. Silence critics. If the above methods do not prevail, consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive solution so that the need to address issues is removed entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention, blackmail or destruction of their character by release of blackmail information, or merely by proper intimidation with blackmail or other threats.

25. Vanish. If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen.

[barend]

the high horse of morality that Lucas rides only has three legs and one eye...

and tends to walk in circles alot...

and walks under alot of low branches...

[J m HofMarN]

Does it Barend? Does it REALLY? Or are you just covering for Lucas Moral horse riding jew bashing self? I see. They've gotten to you! I saw it! They injected you with the midichlorians last night at twelve thirty while I sat outside your window! The only ones who really know how silenced we've become are the telephone operators! They put mercury filings in my teeth to increase my wavesplit!

I'M A RING GIRL DAMMIT!

Hehe feel free to notice that reference. Maybe we could do a comprehension test of one of Hannibal's posts.