[Hannibal]

After the last 10 years of insults by Lucas himself, and after giving the man tons of money, having been a fan since 1978, I ask myself, what is left? What in Star Wars is left to like, after recognizing the blatant plagiarism, the bad writing, the fascist and racist tendencies, the completely arrogant and egomaniacal head of the vast corporation known as Lucasfilm, George Lucas himself...hmm...I still like Wookies...and those treehouses were cool...and the cantina...oh that's right its all been changed now...and it seems that all thats left to enjoy is all the creations of Ralph McQUarrie and not George Lucas at all...Well, if they ever make another Wookie TV Show...I'll be there...unfortunately that's about it...I liked that Star Wars comic about the wookies being enslaved by the trandoshans and yet I am told by fanatics that it isn't "cannon..." Well, Peter Mayhew, Ralph McQuarrie...good job, I thank you for entertaining me and making me think...as for you Lucas, I hope that giant tumor on your neck gets bigger and an alien pops out and eats your bank account. I hope you rot in the fires of hell(or generic star wars alternative)...and burn for all your jedic sins. May the Force consume you in the end and put you in your place, just below Ed Wood and a little above P.T.Barnum and on the same precipice as Heinrich Himmler...and as for my fellow Star Wars fans...tell me, those of you disenfranchised few, what sad few things remain on your list you still cannot let go of?

[J m HofMarN]

I think we can all be thankful that George Lucas hasnt yet screwed with the OT as much as he will in years to come... Wait that's depressing...

[Michel Orla]

I just did the smartest thing I could think of. I copied my OT Star Wars tapes to DVD. They may not be the best quality, but now I can say I have the original triology on DVD. The way I remember them growing up. And I'm thankful there's nothing Lucas can do to take that away from me

This post has been edited by Michel Orla: 31 October 2004 - 04:42 AM

[barend]

nothing

[Helena]

Play Knights of the Old Republic. If anything can possibly restore your faith in Star Wars, it's that game. (Note also that Lucas had no involvement whatsoever in its production.)

[jariten]

how about where Obi jumps through the window in clones? come on, you liked that bit.

[Mike Mac from NYU]

To: Michael Orda

I just did the smartest thing I could think of. I copied my OT Star Wars tapes to DVD. They may not be the best quality, but now I can say I have the original triology on DVD. The way I remember them growing up. And I'm thankful there's nothing Lucas can do to take that away from me

I did the same as well. I have the trilogy the way I remembered it.

You didn't hear this from me, but I do know of people who have real DVD quality OT tapes.

-You can find them if you know where to look......

how about where Obi jumps through the window in clones? come on, you liked that bit.

That scene lasted about two seconds of screen time. And was followed by an unbelievably riduculous looking scene of Obi-Wan hanging from a drone flying through the city. A painfully obvious "CGI" moment

*sigh* Were was the dignity of the Obi-Wan character that Alec Guiness provided so well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

May the Force consume you in the end and put you in your place, just below Ed Wood and a little above P.T.Barnum and on the same precipice as Heinrich Himmler

PT Barnum was in many ways a genius of marketing much in the same way Lucas is.

I actually think that Ed Wood is a "good" director. If you watch his movies in the right frame of mind, you can actually see the ideas and the style in his work.

I enjoyed the Ed Wood movie as well as Ed Wood's works.

I would watch Plan 9 from Outer Space 26 times before watching Attack of the Clones once.

I think Torr Johnson gave a more in depth and enjoyable performance than Hayden Christensen ever did. :yuck:

Heinrich Himmler. Was he the dope addict of the Third Reich.......or the failed writer?????????

Replying to What can I actually like about star wars now?

Well Hannibal, the OT films will still be forever in your heart and mind. Perhaps the failure of the pT films makes those films stand out even more as precious pieces of great filmmaking.

Sort of like precious diamonds amongst the cubic zirconia of the PT films

Damn, that was a good line by me!!!!!!!!!!!!1

The Star Wars books for the most part are still very good and keep the feel of the films.

As, Helena had mentioned, there are the numerous video games that exist and will exist in the future.

You know something I think people don;t realize or appreciate about Star Wars is the fact that it has expanded from a film franchise to the ultimate MULTIMEDIA FRANCHISE.

With books, music games, internet, graphic novels, THIS FORUM!!!........you could make a case that Star Wars could exist for decades without ever one single live action movie being made.

This ultimately may be the best way to appreciate Star Wars now and perhaps the most efficient way to enjoy it.

Look at the "Dungeons & Dragons" franchise.

D & D is a complete multimedia franchise consisting of games, internet sites, vide games, cartoons, graphic novel, books ALL without making a single live action movie of note!!

{Yes......there has been no D & D movie made of POSITIVE SIGNIFICANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!}

{Jeez.......never though Jeremy Irons could be made to look so bad in a film................... :yuck: }


Star Wars universe will still be enjoyable, no matter how many bad films George Lucas makes...

- Even the novel books based on the PT events are very read good reads-

Try picking up "Rogue Planet" if you get a chance!!

And don;t forget there is also "fan fiction".

Why not "create' your own PT stories???

[jariten]

That scene lasted about two seconds of screen time

so did the death star blowing up. so what? it was still a shocking, memorable moment.

And was followed by an unbelievably riduculous looking scene of Obi-Wan hanging from a drone flying through the city. A painfully obvious "CGI" moment

of course it was CG, but it looked great. the interaction of Obi and the speeders etc. made the scene as real as technology constrants would allow. ie pretty damn good.

This post has been edited by jariten: 31 October 2004 - 02:00 PM

[Mike Mac from NYU]

so did the death star blowing up. so what? it was still a shocking, memorable moment.

With all due respect....




........you mean to tell me that you are comparing three seconds of a part of a minor action sequence..........


.................to the climax of a movie??????????

[Mike Mac from NYU]

And was followed by an unbelievably riduculous looking scene of Obi-Wan hanging from a drone flying through the city. A painfully obvious "CGI" moment



of course it was CG, but it looked great. the interaction of Obi and the speeders etc. made the scene as real as technology constrants would allow. ie pretty damn good.

Again with all due respect............one of the problems with CGI, is that action movements by characters, such as Obo-Wan,become almost "cartoonish" rather than realistic.

You've seen Crouching Tiger & Spiderman right??

Compare the "night fight" scene in Crouching Tiger with the scene in Spiderman where Peter is hunting the burgular that killed Uncle Ben.

Look at the way the characters move while they are flying,jumping & running in "Crouching" Tiger.

Look at the way Spider moves when he is jumping and crawiling.

The Crouching Tiger scense are believable because the motion of action is real to life.

The scenes in Spiderman are unrealistic because you KNOW that nobody can move like that. Spiderman moves at speeds that don;t happen in real life motion.


Here's a film lesson:

-If your audience knows it;s a special effect right of the bat, it's not a very special effect.-

This is my biggest greivance on CGI effects.

YOUR AUDIENCE KNOWS RIGHT OFF THE BAT THAT IT"S CGI.

When you saw Yoda for the first time the special effect was perfect because it never registered to your mind the moment that you were watching that Yoda was a puppet.

-Movies are using CGI WAAYYYY too much for my liking. :yuck: -

[Michel Orla]

Play Knights of the Old Republic. If anything can possibly restore your faith in Star Wars, it's that game. (Note also that Lucas had no involvement whatsoever in its production.)

Oh man, I just started playing it for the fourth time through today (A game so good I could play it another ten times through) This to me is the definitive Star Wars after the OT trilogy, not the last two shames we've seen in the box office

I did the same as well.  I have the trilogy the way I remembered it.

You didn't hear this from me, but I do know of people who have real DVD quality OT tapes.

-You can find them if you know where to look......

That's the only way to have the trilogy. I'd much rather have them with no enchancements and special features, then sit through the bastardized version Lucas has presented on DVD

This post has been edited by Michel Orla: 31 October 2004 - 06:41 PM

[Despondent]

so did the death star blowing up. so what? it was still a shocking, memorable moment.

That's why they went back to it, the First time they had nothing.

so did the death star blowing up. so what? it was still a shocking, memorable moment.

BEFORE, or (most certainly I think you'll agree) AFTER the addition of the power hoops?

[barend]

if i had to pick one thing from the prequels that i liked...
it would be the sound the depth charge makes launched by jenga fett...
and that joy is cancelled by the fact that sound doesn't travel in space...

there are too many changes to the OT... and i'm sick to death of explaining to people who wont back down why they suck... so the easist thing to do here is let all the suckers enjoy their precious crap!!!

I on the the other hand will walk away from it without remorse...
there's nothing left for me there...

it's all pretty baaaaaaad...

there are better things to devote to myself to...
Star WArs is now 100% styrofoam.

[jariten]

so did the death star blowing up. so what? it was still a shocking, memorable moment.

With all due respect....




........you mean to tell me that you are comparing three seconds of a part of a minor action sequence..........


.................to the climax of a movie??????????

you seemed to be trying to dismiss the impact of the obi scene i mentioned because of its brevity. i was just pointing out that even quick scenes can have a lasting effect on the audience.

as to your other point. i see what you are trying to say, but im not sure i agree with your points of comparison. the action in crouching tiger is obviously supposed to be a highly stylised, almost romantic (?!) form of movement without the constraints of going for any real representation of reality or anything during those scenes.

and i agree about spiderman. the cgi in that bit looked stupid. the problem is that you cant compare that to Clones, as they actually had Ewan hoisted up in the air, with him clinging onto the droid which was throwing him about while a huge fan blasted him with air (as he watched a large anamatic of the scene on a screen infront of him). the point is, that was real (unlike spiderman) and clearly the best that any filmaker could have achieved.

also, i dont agree with your point about the audience not immediently registering that yoda was a puppet in Empire. i think they did. yoda was as obviously artificially created as Jar Jar (who, incidentally, my cousin thought was a guy in a suit until i told him otherwise)

This post has been edited by jariten: 01 November 2004 - 03:22 AM

[Despondent]

i was just pointing out that even quick scenes can have a lasting effect on the audience.

If a hardcore SW fan has to surgically-remove a ten second scene to redeem a film, it's a lost cause.

For a candy lover to eat their halloween treats with relish, they can appreciate looking back on the bag and remembering "yes, that snack size crispy butterfinger (or jello shooter) was divine."

But if you feel sick, overwhelmed and just Blah the next day, you probably won't be thanking anything except the fact that it's over.


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