[Just your average movie goer]

I thought it might be fun to start a thread like this... basically if anyone comes across a good review of anything we talk about on this forum, they could post it here.

I'd like to start with this review I read last night on Episode II. The author wrote something I disagreed with - that Episode II was better than Return of the Jedi. But other than that, he was on the mark. I like this review because it is just so damn funny (because it's true) - http://www.angelfire.../oc/clones.html

[Vwing]

Jeez you know, ROTJ just can't win. The prequel lovers all look to ROTJ and say that it is really the worst Star Wars movie. The prequel haters say that ROTJ began the downfall of Star Wars. Those who are fairly indifferent say the prequels make ROTJ look better by comparison, so now it is not the worst Star Wars movie, damning it with faint praise. It's being attacked from all sides. And all because of the damn Ewoks. The only reason I hate them now is because everyone hates the movie because of them, and it's like if they were wookies and the story was exactly the same everything would be all right. There would be other grievances, but everyone would look past them. Oh well.

Pretty good review though. Oh and I have not watched ESB and ROTJ back-to-back yet, I will soon, not to worry.

[Despondent]

Excellent Review. Just the stuff needed for the interim.

2X
5X

[Give Me The Originals Dammit]

Have another review to add for AOTC: Not as funny as Movie Goers, but it still hits the mark.



http://www.freewilli...002/clones.html

[jariten]

this is a good idea. ok, heres one from a hugely respected source (not saying that adds weight to his review or anything) just to show you i`m not the only one!

http://www.bbc.co.uk...02_review.shtml

also, Vwing, if youre reading this, thanks a million for letting us know there were spoliers in that thread you made. i`m desperatly trying to stay as spolier free as possible! anyway thanks

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and im a soothsayer. slowly jariten, climb the ladder...

This post has been edited by jariten: 02 October 2004 - 01:24 AM

[civilian_number_two]

And all because of the damn Ewoks.

I don't care about the Ewoks.

Leia = Luke's sister, and the resolution of the Vader business, + Death Star II are what I don't like about JEDI. Simplistic conclusion not worthy of the epic setup offered by EMPIRE.

[Just your average movie goer]

I agree with Civilian on

Leia = Luke's sister, and the resolution of the Vader business, + Death Star II are what I don't like about JEDI. Simplistic conclusion not worthy of the epic setup offered by EMPIRE.

But the Ewoks DID annoy the living hell out of me as did goldenrod Threepio on Endor, being loud and stupid... and all the slapstick stuff.

However, I did say earlier that I disagreed with the author's assessment that Return of the Jedi was a lesser film than Episode II. I think it's high art compared to that film. But I also think Zoolander is high art compared to that film... so it's not exactly praise either. No, gentlemen - Zoolander sucks. However, I will say that Return of the Jedi had roughly 35 minutes of film that I thought was worthy of the name Star Wars - which is 35 more than either Episode I or Episode II had.


Now to the reviews. I liked yours, Give Me The Originals Dammit.

Direction Rating: Half of a walk down Hollywood Boulevard
The director should be bundled up with the writer and the producer and all three should be severely beaten until they promise never to do anything like this again. What was that? All three people are George Lucas? Fuck that. Just kill the bastard.

That was just beautiful.



Jariten, I admire the undying devotion you give to your cause. The review you linked was fairly good. It didn't sway my opinion... but it was certainly on the mark that Episode II was better than Episode I. The article wasn't strong praise but it did suggest that maybe it's not as bad as most of us feel it is.

I don't feel any different about it though... but it was a nice try. Kudos for the effort.

[Garth Vader]

Can anyone suggest what exactly is wrong with jedi apart from the ewoks? What would be a suitable conclusion to empire?

[Just your average movie goer]

I'd love to... but I'm tired of repeating the same things over and over again so I will refer you to last big debate we had on the subject...

http://www.chefelf.c...topic=868&st=30

This is about the third page of a thread that had nothing to do with Return of the Jedi... but here it really started. The biggest debate between the Return of the Jedi lovers and haters on the forum. It ended up being a hell of a long thread. Chefelf eventually locked it before the nuclear war broke out. But if you look through that thread, Garth Vader, you may find our reasons for hating that film.

[jariten]

heres another

http://www.usatoday....wars-review.htm

and vwing, i really like Jedi too. Phantom is easily the worst.

[HK 47]

Rotten Tomatoes. I put together a list of Rotten Tomatoes metacritic reviews and here are the results. Average counts all reviews and Cream of the Crop only the reviewers with most clout.

Episode I: Average: 62% Cream of the Crop: 39%
Episode II: Average: 64% Cream of the Crop: 41%

Episode IV: Average: 93% Cream of the Crop: 85%
Episode V: Average: 98% Cream of the Crop: 91%
Episode VI: Average: 80% Cream of the Crop: 64%

I can't help but agree with popular opinion, or rather Cream of the Crop opinion. Empire the best in the series, closely followed by A New Hope. Jedi is a bit of a let-down and the prequels are nowhere near the OT. They actually got it right!

[jariten]

both TPM and AotC have a rating of `fresh` now.

[HK 47]

both TPM and AotC have a rating of `fresh` now.

They have a rating of "Fresh"! Yippeeee! The Cream of the Crop reviews are the serious ones. There are quite a few rabid fanboys writing reviews bringing the average up. Also, please notice that the percentile difference between the total average and CotC are substantially higher for the PT than the OT. What does that tell you? Let me explain, the Cream of the Crop are the more experienced reviewers who know when to discriminate.

This can of course be debated, however you cannot contest this Jariten: The OT is clearly the superior trilogy, no matter if it's measured by the total of all reviews or just CotC ones.

[jariten]

well this is an argument not worth getting into. to suggest that one persons opinion is more valid than others based on...what? how much the reviewer earns? who they work for? or who rottentomatoes decides is `worthy` or not? is ridiculous. although if we are following that particular system, read the review i posted a little while back- a glowing review of Clones from the BBC no less. and we both know theres an equal number of rabid bashers as fanboys on those types of forums.

however you cannot contest this Jariten: The OT is clearly the superior trilogy, no matter if it's measured by the total of all reviews or just CotC ones.

im not going to measure quality by either of those things. im going to measure what i like by what i like.

[HK 47]

It's not one persons opinion, the numbers are based on all the reviewers in the US worth mentioning and then some.

But I know that nothing will change your opinion on the matter. It reminds me of certain Black Knight of Monty Python fame, the very same stubborn refusal to accept reality...

"Your arm is off!"
"No, it isn't, 'tis but a scratch." or rather "That's a matter of opinion."