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Posted 20 September 2004 - 04:01 AM

It just struck me that in ESB Yoda and Obi Wan are having a conversation. I'm not perfectly sure who says what but I think it's Obi wan who says "He is our last hope" and then Yoda says "No, there is another"

So this indicates that Yoda knows about Leiah while Obi Wan dosn't. I wonder if Lucas will remember this. Any bets?

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 04:39 AM

heres another error.

why doesnt Han go to pay off Jabba right after the events of a New Hope? appartantly everyone forgot to enlighten us about this, Lucas included.
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 05:01 AM

It's probable that he just didnt have the money. Also, I think that the ability to wire money intergalactically would have been a lifesaver for him.

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 06:15 AM

except for all the booty he got at the end of ANH? Theres a 3 year gap in between 4 and 5. people complaining about plot holes in the prequels should start of by looking a little closer to home. there are problems of this nature with all the films.
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 09:57 AM

but the people in the OT are loveable....

it has REDEMING FEATURES
SETS
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what do the prequels have....?

shut up! that's what!!!
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 01:01 PM

I was wondering about the Han Solo/Jabba the Hutt thing myself. Further more, in ESB, he said that he couldn't stay and had to leave. The commander then apologizes for that and Leia tries to make him change his mind. Here are two problems with this.

1: Why does he have to leave PREMINANTLY? He could easily pay Jabba his money and then come back, right?

2: He was a rebel now, even if he pays Jabba back and gets the bounty taken off his back, the Empire will still want his head because he's part of the rebel alliance! Didn't George think about that?

I guess even the OT has problems in it. dry.gif
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 03:53 PM

Presumably he was too busy with the rebellion, although it still doesn't explain why he didn't just pay Jabba off and then come back. Perhaps he was afraid of being caught by the Empire, or he simply couldn't be bothered until he realised Jabba was sending bounty hunters after him.

But yes, no one is denying that the OT has continuity errors as well. It's clear that Lucas didn't intend to make Luke and Leia siblings to begin with, for example. But as barend says, the OT films are enjoyable enough that minor continuity problems can be overlooked.
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 04:54 PM

maybe he was leaving to pay Jabba...

either way he'd be safer with an army around him.
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 09:04 PM

One point about the Han leaving forever thing: I think he could have been worrying about the Empire tracing him back to Hoth.

As for the not paying thing, after helping to blow up a big fucking space station that could blow up planets, I think that boosted his ego and made him think he didn't need to be scared of Jabba.
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 09:59 PM

Let's face it: the whole business of Han shooting Greedo and owing money to some guy named Jabba the Hutt was just supposed to have been there to show he's a dangerous guy, out for self and money. Lucas wrote himself into a corner when he decided to make such a big deal out of the bounty hunter in subsequent (and pre-consequent?) episodes.

That said, I love Boba Fett's role in exactly one film, THE EMIRE STRIKES BACK, and in no other, and I think (along with everyone over the age of seven) that too much has been made of the whole Boba Fett thing.

Technically neither is a continuity error, but the former really plays like a bad bit of writing, as bad as having a character whisper in someone's ear for no better reason than that the director doesn't want the audience to hear it. When Yoda says that line in EMPIRE, he's actually telling Ben "no, there's someone you don't know about." On revison (with the release of JEDI), now it's immediately followed with "Oh yeah, Leia; that pathetic life form." And the cut-away before we get to hear from Ben that this is a mundane comment from Yoda and no revelation at all? Well, that may be the after-the-fact lamest cut in EMPIRE.

That's a long way to go, really, from one film to the next. When EMPIRE came out, cutting away from Yoda's revelaton was one of the strongest cuts in the series so far, in terms of enhancing mystery and deepening the story. After JEDI, it is literally the lamest and least motivated cut in the entire series. And I include in this assessment any prequels that I have not seen.
"I had a lot of different ideas. At one point, Luke, Leia and Ben were all going to be little people, and we did screen tests to see if we could do that." -George Lucas, in STAR WARS: the Annotated Screenplays (p197).
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