[Just your average movie goer]

Yes, and Yoda is a wanker in the new movies, isn't he?

"Hmmm... miss your mother, do you? Worried, you are... being worried leads to fear... fear leads to aggression... aggression leads to anger... anger leads to suffering... and suffering leads to the dark side."

I don't know but I don't think missing your mother sets you down a quick one way path to the darkside. Watching that scene, I wish someone had picked Yoda up and thrown him out the window, the little jerk.

You're right about Lucas exaggerating elements of the original films. He does it time and time again.

"Hmmm.... Jabba was a hutt and he lived on Tatooine so... TATOOINE IS CONTROLLED BY THE HUTTS!"

"Hmmm.... Jabba had slaves so... TATOOINE IS RIPE WITH SLAVERY!"

"Hmmm.... a Jawa said 'Ooteenee!' once so... JAWAS SAY 'OOTEENEE!' AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY!"

"Hmmm.... Yoda said Luke, in his twenties, was too old to begin the training so... A NINE YEAR OLD KID IS TOO OLD TO BEGIN THE TRAINING!"


It's really embarrassing, frankly speaking.


Another major problem is Naboo. It has NO RIGHT to be in these movies. What we're supposed to be seeing is Alderaan.

But yes, things are radically wrong in the prequels.


It'd be interesting to see if Mnesymone does a take on them or not. I can guarantee it'd be excellent.

[Mnesymone]

Add to your elements of exaggeration:

When yoda was dying and senile he spoke some stuff backwards.... therefore, logically.... "Around the survivors a perimeter create!" My god sometimes I even amaze myself (head explodes as HK-47 opens fire from 100 kilometers away... doesn't oh damn - well, I can hope)

Ben wore a pale shirt, a light robe and a stout brown cloak - therefore, it was the Jedi uniform and EVERY JEDI WEARS THEM!

Also he completely removes bits from the originals - counter-exaggerating...

"The Jedi Master who instructed me"... it's only a small reference so Yoda took his kiddie class of fifteen eight-year olds and some weird fella called Qui-Gon Jinn had him as his apprentice!

As for "The Rememberer's Take" - it's in the planning stages... but it will take some time to screenplay fully... and I still need to consider whether or not to do it written script or storyboard comic.

[Just another wretched fan]

As for "The Rememberer's Take" - it's in the planning stages... but it will take some time to screenplay fully... and I still need to consider whether or not to do it written script or storyboard comic.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

um... did you check out the rewrites thread at all?

my conclusion would be a comic. but please make the site a forum for everyone to throw there 2 cents in a make a really awesome plot.

[barend]

everything about these new movies reeks of someone who say but didn't understand what was good about the OT...

futher fuel for the beleif that lucas ripped SW of someone else and took credit for it...

[Mnesymone]

I did not see the rewrites threads... maybe they were around in that gap of several months where I wasn't... but I'll encourage input into my takes, and get a little discussion thread - reviews, ideas etc ... still I shall reserve the right to take stuff overboard and throw it off, and I'll start with as much of a master plan as I can.

This post has been edited by Mnesymone: 14 April 2005 - 01:59 AM

[Just another wretched fan]

I did not see the rewrites threads... maybe they were around in that gap of several months where I wasn't... but I'll encourage input into my takes, and get a little discussion thread - reviews, ideas etc ... still I shall reserve the right to take stuff overboard and throw it off, and I'll start with as much of a master plan as I can.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

well...write down your ideas first. then check out the rewrites forum so you don't accidentally mentally overwrite your original ideas.

now that summer is coming i wouldn't mind collaborating with you, but i'm sure a lot of people would too.

[Lord Aquaman]

Add to your elements of exaggeration:

he completely removes bits from the originals - counter-exaggerating...

"The Jedi Master who instructed me"... it's only a small reference so Yoda took his kiddie class of fifteen eight-year olds and some weird fella called Qui-Gon Jinn had him as his apprentice!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It's nice to see people picking up on Qui-Gon as one of the great all-time continuity errors.

[Mnesymone]

If not the greatest...

He also belies the "I took it upon myself to train him" - this way we're supposed to believe that he did out of kindness to his master.

Is it just me or is Obi-Wan's "I will see you trained as a Jedi" at the end of TPM a really weak delivery?

[CowboyCurtis]

It is completely weak. I feel there had to be a reason for Obi-Wan "taking on Anakin."

1) the Jedi are facing some form of crisis themselves. They are vulnerable. That's why in my re-writes no Jedi have emerged in the last fifteen years or so. The Jedi are are worried they'll become extinct.

2) this leads me to think that Yoda wasn't around. He's either preparing for Luke's arrival on Dagobah, or he's seeking out the "Heart of Darkness" that may be responsible for the lack of Jedi. So, Obi-Wan has no choice but to "take on Anakin" as his student, and he feels he can do as well as Yoda.

3) Skywalkers had a connection to the Sith in the past.... they had nearly destroyed the Sith. So, coming across someone with the last name of Skywalker would be a big incentive to train them and help against the rising Sith.


Sidenote question: Did you think Obi-Wan was going to be called "Ben" in the PT's? I figured it would've been Anakin's "nickname" for his master.

This post has been edited by CowboyCurtis: 16 April 2005 - 10:59 AM

[Mnesymone]

He has to have the name Ben given to him at some point: "I haven't gone by the name Obi-Wan since all before you were born" - I have a feeling that it might be done off-screen... which would be lame.

I kind of figured that Jedi wouldn't train classes like that silly mob of kids in Ep II, rather that individual masters - which should be so rare that you wouldn't have to take your shoes off to count them - would train individual apprentices (not Padawan) for some time, and that they would not become Masters for decades if ever - hence there would not be a great many jedi - some hundreds, maybe a thousand - all scattered throughout the galaxy. As for Anakin - I basically have it that the war put an end to Ben's plans to have Anakin trained by Yoda.

[Just your average movie goer]

That's what I would have thought also. Having no time and a great deal of urgency could cause that.

As for the way Jedi were trained, I'm with you there too. What exactly was wrong with Jedi being personally trained by wise masters who lived as hermits around the galaxy?

The whole concept of a jedi-classroom did as much to destroy the mysticism of the force as midichlorians did... well maybe not that much. But it didn't help.

[CowboyCurtis]

Yep.

All Lucas needed to do was watch his OWN DAMN MOVIES and write down notes. He doesn't even need to do that. Just get somebody else, a person who generally does continuity notes for scripts and they could watch them is Lucas is "too bothered" to do so, and just hand them the notes, and then underline and HIGHLIGHT all of the important notes that would shape and form the story to come.

It's... it's... just BASIC LOGIC!!!!

I mean I can understand this kind of screw up in a big multi-headed product with several "cooks in the kitchen" who are there just to make money off the whole she-bang, but this is coming from the guy who supposedly "had it all in his head" and is the "genius-creator" of this franchise.

It's... *sigh* discouraging, disgusting, disappointing, annoying, counter-productive, and many other adjectives I just can't summon up at the moment....

Oh man, I can't wait for Episode III to be gone and out of the theatre. I can't wait for cinema history to bury these movies....

[Despondent]

All Lucas needed to do was watch his OWN DAMN MOVIES and write down notes.  He doesn't even need to do that.  Just get somebody else, a person who generally does continuity notes for scripts and they could watch them is Lucas is "too bothered" to do so, and just hand them the notes, and then underline and HIGHLIGHT all of the important notes that would shape and form the story to come.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Great points, Cowboy Curtis.

the guy who supposedly "had it all in his head" and is the "genius-creator" of this franchise.

came up with something that promised the most when it was vague at best.

People will buy the annotated editions, regardless of the T.

[Mnesymone]

For all he's the original creator - If he can't find some reason why Jango Fett, Qui-Gon, Dooku, Jar-Jar, the Jedi Council Palace Hotel and Casino (Now with computer lounge), the Trade Federation, the Techno Union with their leader with voicebox problems, the Geonosians building the Death Star, Anakin being of immaculate conception and also a tosspot I'm seriously going to curse his fridge, his fruit basket and any and all shaving items he uses.

What parts of the OT did he get them from?

This post has been edited by Mnesymone: 17 April 2005 - 11:00 PM

[CowboyCurtis]

For all he's the original creator - If he can't find some reason why Jango Fett, Qui-Gon, Dooku, Jar-Jar, the Jedi Council Palace Hotel and Casino (Now with computer lounge), the Trade Federation, the Techno Union with their leader with voicebox problems, the Geonosians building the Death Star, Anakin being of immaculate conception and also a tosspot I'm seriously going to curse his fridge, his fruit basket and any and all shaving items he uses.

What parts of the OT did he get them from?

Qui-Gon is just a pale version of Obi-Wan Kenobi of the OT.

Jango Fett is to make the fanboys relive Boba Fett over again.

Jar Jar is how Lucas originally wanted Chewie, unfortunately.

The Jedi Council Palace is an absolute joke and totally 180 of what the Jedi are all about.

The Geonosians could've used in a different aspect, and Lucas' "answer" to Kevin Smith's spoofy questions about all of the paid contractors who apparently died on the Death Stars.

The Trade Federation and the Techno Union were there in a form in the original novelisation, but how they were portrayed and executed is lame beyond reason. Lucas has no sense on how to make these "massive organs of commerce" come alive on the screen. They seem more like disgruntled shop owners.