[Just your average movie goer]

Just like to say to Barend, I love LOTR every bit as much as you do too. If I didn't, why would I spend so much time talking about little details?

Return of the Jedi is nowhere near as good as The Empire Strikes Back. It's a passable film in my humble opinion, which is entertaining at times (and I can't say that for a lot of films out there). I just think we deserved so much better than that for the closing act to the Star Wars trilogy. Judged as part of the Star Wars trilogy, I have to say that (once again in my humble opinion), it really let the side down.


I agree with Despondent about the laugh track. It'd be especially great for Han's comedy club performance -

Enter Han Solo and C-3PO.

C-3PO - His high exaltedness, the great Jabba the Hutt, has decreed that you are to be terminated immediately.

Han - Good, I hate long waits.

Snare drum. Loud laughter and applause.

Han - Thank you. Thank you.

C-3PO - You were therefore be taken to the dune sea and cast into the pit of Carcoon, the nesting place of the all-powerful sarlaac.

Han - Doesn't sound so bad.

Snare drum. Loud laughter and applause.

Han - Thank you. Thank you.

C-3PO - In his belly, you will find a new definition of pain and suffering as you are slowly digested over a thousand years.

Han - On second thoughts, let's pass on that.

Snare drum. Really, really loud laughter and incredible applause.

Han - Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. I'll be here till Friday. Have a wonderful night. You don't have to go home but you can't stay here.




.... and so the adventure continues out on the dune sea.

Han - I think my eyes are getting better. Instead of a big dark blur, I see a big light blur.

Luke - There's nothing to see. We moved the shooting location from Tunisia to California to make it more dull. And I used to live here you know.

Han - You're gonna die here, you know? Convenient.

Luke - Gee, thanks buddy. Remind me, why am I rescuing you again? Look, just stick close to Chewie and Lando. We'll take care of everything.

Han (sarcastically) - Oh, great.

Luke - Shut your face, you wanker. Were you this dislikeable in the last movie?



Then there's a big fight. Boba Fett gets killed accidentally by a blind guy for a bit of slapstick comedy.

Snare drum. Loud applause and laughter.

R2 zaps Princess Leia's chain. Princess Leia is electrocuted and dies... no, wait. She's okay. How about that, eh? Phew - close call.

R2 sees Salucious Crumb tormenting Threepio and he zaps him. Salucious Crumb says a bit of crap in a pissed off manner and runs away. No wait, I must be mistaken. R2's zap killed him, right? Please tell me that George Lucas does not let such an annoying character LIVE!

Threepio wanders around the top of the sail barge looking like a bit of a dick and R2 pushes him off.

R2 - Be gone, annoying prat.

But R2 can't apply the brakes and he falls over too.

Luke - Get the gun, point it at the deck.

Leia - We've already killed everybody. Why do you want to blow this thing up for?

Luke - Oh, come on. Please.

Leia (pointing the gun at the deck, shaking her head) - I guess he really has his heart set on having a big explosion.

Luke triggers the gun and swings Leia across to the smaller skiff.

Luke - Let's get the droids.

Lando - Hey, look - a mechanical droid retrieval arm. That's handy.

Luke - Wow, um, thanks Jabba. He was really more considerate than we gave him credit for, wasn't he?

The heroes soar to safety while Jabba's sail barge explodes. And it is VERY big - the explosion to end all explosions until another one takes it's place later on.


Is that Jabba's palace covered? Wait, gotta do the alien language of Leia's alter-ego Boussh. That's worth a look.

Boussh - Yoto. Yoto. (I have come for the bounty on this wookie.)
Boussh - Yoto. Yoto. (Fifty thousand, no less.)
Boussh - Eh? Yoto. (Because he saw a thermal detonator.)
Boussh - Yoto. (Alright, you slimy bastard. I accept your lame offer.)

Any linguists out there?

This post has been edited by Just your average movie goer: 23 July 2004 - 12:38 AM

[barend]

Yoto is like the word 'smurf'*, or 'dig-dig'**, or 'station'***!


*the smurfs
**spaceballs
***bill and teds bogus journey

[Despondent]

Movie Goer, I liked your rimshots.

Han - On second thoughts, let's pass on that.

Snare drum.  Really, really loud laughter and incredible applause.

Han - Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen.  I'll be here till Friday.  Have a wonderful night.  You don't have to go home but you can't stay here.

Han - And don't forget to tip your drink droids and servers. They work real hard for you. Don't think they deserve it? Well, Excuuuuuuse me.

C3P0 - Let's have a big round of applause for HAN SOLO! Han Solo, Everybody! (cue band; music up)

[Just your average movie goer]

Why, thank you. I quite like your close to the performance as well.

[Commoner]

I like 50% of ROTJ as opposed to the 20%-30% enjoyment of TPM/AOTC.

ROTJ just needed a little more OOMPH! To knock it up into a higher plane of SW-iness! I really do think the director was not a good choice. Kirshner for ESB--man, that guy knew what he was doing. He knew how to light and frame and compose and... why couldn't he do that for other movies he's directed on, though? Weird.

ESB is so stylish good-looking. ROTJ looks like it was filmed over a weekend.

So, I do like ROTJ, much better than the PT's.

[barend]

luke blew up the barge top make sure salacious crum was dead...

[Despondent]

Other than P. Crumb, (and the rancor. fine.) what other pets have we seen in the SW universe?




I've had a busy last few days and haven't found time to finish viewing Jedi yet. Maybe tonight.

I suppose what I'm noticing the most is: In the music there are a Lot of those chirpy Williams woodsey bird songs. do-dee doo doo doot dee do. The kind of soundtrack for Nature's funniest home videos.

I wonder if this is because other than the big space/emperor scenes at the end, there wasn't as much substance to score? To his credit, he must not have wanted to upstage Lucas. So kudos to Lucas for hiring Williams.

Prior to Jedi's release, I saw the soundtrack at the mall. Only one disc?
Not the surprise of seeing "Qui-Gon's Funeral" listed though.

[Just your average movie goer]

Not the surprise of seeing "Qui-Gon's Funeral" listed though.

Maybe Chefelf should edit the reason about how you know Qui-Gon's going to die, to include...

You know he's going to die. Because you've already seen the soundtrack in the stores and one of the tracks is titled "Qui-Gon's Funeral."

That's so funny, especially when Lucas tried to keep every single secret under lock and key for so long (didn't want anyone finding out how stupid the prequels were going to be too early).


As for the pet question, I think in no other Star Wars movie, do they have pets - just as in no other Star Wars movie has anyone ever said anything like -

"has decreed that you are to be terminated immediately"
"the all-powerful"
"you will find a new definition of pain and suffering"

or

"Good, good. Everything is proceeding the way that I had foreseen. Aren't I so damn clever?"

[Despondent]

Finished up Jedi after the convention tonight, and I started taking notes toward the end. Lots of good moments.

Adm. Ackbar: "May the force be with us."

Tap, Han. Oh yeah, the stormtrooper. I remember that from May 83 now.

ewoks. ha ha ha ha ha

Palpatine: "Your faith in your friends is yours."

the rebel ships coming out of hyperspace was cool. prior to entering ditto.

Artoo goes haywire. Yep, "hotwire."

Yahoo Yeehah.

I liked the orange/yellow/green blaster shots.

The Duel. terrific.

The pendulum swings, Admiral Ackbar takes a sit.

the Yub Yub sequence.

I made sure to be aware for Lando's clapping in time. Within the last 2 seconds of the film (before the credits,) THEY HAVE CANNED LAUGHTER on the soundtrack.

____

Nice fanfare at the very end of the credits gave me chills. A fitting end to the OT.

[Commoner]

As time goes on, I dislike ROTJ more and more. Okay, I'll try, though to pick out what I like....

-The slow construction of the Deathstar, it's design is nice.
-I like Jabba's palace out in the middle of the desert.
-I like the "spider thing" inside the doorway.
-I actually like Jabba; maybe because he isn't CGI.
-Like the dancer revealing her boobie.. Okay.. sorry..
-Luke's entrance into the palace. The music is nice.
-Some of the aliens, especially that big hunch-back thing with the gamey eye and tongue lolling out.
-I like the rancor, despite the matte lines.
-Actually like the blubbering keeper. He looks like a reject from The Road Warrior, which makes him cooler.
-Chewie looks good in this movie.
-Like the location shoot for the execution. People say it isn't consistent with the desert environment from the first movie, but I think a planet that big ought to have a variety of different locations... AND it's a real location as opposed to the obvious CGI created environment of Geonosis.
-Like the ragtag rebellion ships.
-Like Admiral Ackbar. Those eyes are so cool.
....um..... a lot of movie here which I don't like....
--The speeder chase. Will always be cool.
--Chewie thinking on his stomach. Funny to me, but I'm sure annoying to others.
--C3P0 considered a 'god.' This always tickles my funny bone and gives the humble droid some respect.
....more movie I can do without....
--I like the Emperor. McDiarmad is a great actor. He plays this role with such zeal, which seems to be really lacking in AOTC.
--The space battle.
--The duel between Luke and Vader, though it looks a little corny after seeing the duel in TPM (but not AOTC).
--Emp's temptation of Luke, and then electrocuting him when he refuses.
--Luke pleading to Vader, Vader saving son, and getting zapped (revealing his innards).
--The death of the Emperor.
--The Death Star blows up, we actually see huge pieces of it spiraling from it.
--Though I don't like the Ewok song, I prefer it over the 'views across the galaxy' celebrations.

That's about it.

[Just your average movie goer]

A good list there. Damn, I didn't think about the accidentally boob flash - yeah, I know the one. But we have to keep that one quiet or Lucas will take it out of the movie.

I also love the new ships - the A-Wings and the B-Wings. They are excellent. While lacking in the dramatic tension department, that space battle is a very beautifully choreographed bit of eye-candy. However, I wish they'd shown more of the broadside engagement between the two capital warships - you know, when the rebel cruiser pulls up alongside the Imperial one and the gun it out.

That said, the Super Star Destroyer was taken out FAR too easily. After Admiral Ackbar makes the order to concentrate all fire on it, it is taken out in about five seconds.

I also didn't like the fact that when the rebel pilots are going through the Death Star's superstructure, one of them gets killed - and they don't bother to change the happy, happy soundtrack for his departure. A little respect please - I know Star Wars never treats death as seriously as many other films, but it could do a little better than that.

More later.

[Just your average movie goer]

A little on the shield generator -

Leia - This isn't going to be easy.

Han - Don't worry. Chewie and me got into a lot of places more heavily guarded than this.

(in the background, Threepio is talking to an ewok)

VOICE OVER - How will the rebels infiltrate the heavily guarded shield generator? What genius device will they have to conceive? What heroic -

Threepio (cutting the Voice Over off) - He says there's a secret entrance on the other side of the ridge.

VOICE OVER (somewhat dejected) - Nevermind. Sorry, I just thought these types of movies were meant to be exciting.



I really love it when Han blows up the shield generator too - that's fantastic. After placing the explosives, Han runs outside and dives for cover twenty metres away from the door.

Then the thing blows, taking out several square kilometres of forest in one of the biggest explosions of the series....

.... and Han gets up without even a singed shirt. I'm no expert on physics but it'd be interesting to find out just how the blast that engulfed all that forest left Han unscathed. Fascinating.

[Garth Vader]

A little on the shield generator -

Leia - This isn't going to be easy.

Han - Don't worry. Chewie and me got into a lot of places more heavily guarded than this.

(in the background, Threepio is talking to an ewok)

VOICE OVER - How will the rebels infiltrate the heavily guarded shield generator? What genius device will they have to conceive? What heroic -

Threepio (cutting the Voice Over off) - He says there's a secret entrance on the other side of the ridge.

VOICE OVER (somewhat dejected) - Nevermind. Sorry, I just thought these types of movies were meant to be exciting.



I really love it when Han blows up the shield generator too - that's fantastic. After placing the explosives, Han runs outside and dives for cover twenty metres away from the door.

Then the thing blows, taking out several square kilometres of forest in one of the biggest explosions of the series....

.... and Han gets up without even a singed shirt. I'm no expert on physics but it'd be interesting to find out just how the blast that engulfed all that forest left Han unscathed. Fascinating.

it's funny how gary kurtz refused to produce this film over lucas' decision to have ewoks in the film. Wonder what he thought of episode 1?

[Commoner]

I don't think Gary Kurtz thought too much of them. Wish I could find that link to that interview with him... I'll look around, but I don't think I have it anymore....

VOICE OVER - How will the rebels infiltrate the heavily guarded shield generator? What genius device will they have to conceive? What heroic -

Threepio (cutting the Voice Over off) - He says there's a secret entrance on the other side of the ridge.

VOICE OVER (somewhat dejected) - Nevermind. Sorry, I just thought these types of movies were meant to be exciting.


PERFECT!!! LOL!!!

--Oh, and Leia in that slave outfit, but that's a given, right?

[Just your average movie goer]

Thanks.

--Oh, and Leia in that slave outfit, but that's a given, right?

Yep, that's a given...