[Commoner]

I've never liked the rule of two. I thought there should've been more Sith. Just can't imagine two Sith Lords taking out all of the Jedi. Of course, the Jedi sit on their ass and do nothing.

[Helena]

I'm not sure what to say for this one. I'm not very keen on the 'rule of two' but it makes sense that there are only a few Sith; otherwise you'd have to explain where the hell they all went by the OT. The clone army should have been a creation of the Sith Lords, used to help them destroy the Jedi in the Clone Wars and afterwards.

[HK 47]

Hmmm, I wonder about this rule of two... I mean, just cause Yoda says "always two there are" has it been confirmed (by George or any other canon source) that it actually means only two Sith in the entire galaxy or does it mean that Sith, like Jedi, always operate in pairs, master and apprentice? I honestly thought that was the case when I first saw TPM since I couldn't believe that there were only two Sith. What friggin chance would they have against thousands of Jedi? Yah, the Jedi would have been hard pressed thousands of years ago against those two Sith (Yes, I know about the "there used to be many but now there are only two since they used to kill each other too much" comic book damage control).

This may be a n00b question (I'm not really well informed on the prequels) but can anyone confirm that the "rule of two" isn't a fan invention? Someone misunderstood Yoda and suddenly it became canon...? But of course, nothing in the PT is canon.

[Radu094]

What I don't get: In ROTJ, the Emperor is trying to convert Luke to be his apprentice, right? Does that mean that if Luke accepts then Vader gets fired from the job?

[Despondent]

Well, when Vader and Luke finally joined together,
the Emporer was "let go."

[Thoth]

And the Emporer did tell Luke that he would take his father's place if he turned to the Dark Side. Vader and the Emporer were plotting against each other the whole time, true to Sith teachings I suppose. That seems to jive with the "rule".

All in all, I don't mind the rule too much... after all, the Sith did have to stay "under the radar" until the time was right. Besides all that "clouded by the dark side" crap it seems reasonable that if there were hundreds of Sith running around SOME Jedi would have noticed them no matter how dense they were.

What there should have been was fewer Jedi, making them easier to defeat. The Republic was in decline, it makes sense that the Order would be too in a sense. They were far removed from their Golden Age. Fewer numbers, spread out across the galaxy. Quality over quantity. Episode 1 should have give us the sense, at least, that they had their hands full dealing with all the problems the corrupt Republic government was causing (or allowing to happen). Then BOOM! the Clone Wars hits, which further decreases their numbers and makes them easy prey for a devious Sith Lord and his powerful apprentice. Vader picks them off one by one before they even know what hit them.

[Commoner]

I wrote a script before AOTC came out where there was a rule of two, but I handled it a little differently. Other fallen or Dark Jedi could vie for the position, and to gain the knowledge of the Sith, they had to prove themselves by killing a Jedi Knight, bringing back an item which would prove they did.

[barend]

the emporer wanted as many dark jedi under him, as he could get...
you know why?

CAUSE EVIL DUDES WITH POWERS DO WHATEVER THEY WANT!!!

there are no rules.... it's just dumb.

it makes no sense, like yodas kindergarden class...
who did he find to take them on as their only aprentice? huh?

yoda must have have been using his crappy english again...
"two there always are,"
was probaqbly yodeese for "well someone had to train the dude! right?"

[Jordan]

The two rule is stupid. Why? There is no explanation as to why only two, but the jedi can have as many as they want????? blah


If the sith put these stupid rules on themselves, I'm suprised they are still around.

[HK 47]

yoda must have have been using his crappy english again...
"two there always are,"
was probaqbly yodeese for "well someone had to train the dude! right?"

The two rule is stupid. Why? There is no explanation as to why only two, but the jedi can have as many as they want????? blah

Exactly my point. Noone on this board has yet to confirm that the "rule of two" was intentional or canon. I still believe it was due to fans or comicbook writers misunderstanding Yoda. Correct me if I'm wrong...

[barend]

lucas doesn't understand his own doctrine...

beside which Star Wars, yes the beloved trilogy was directly ripped of a novel (of which most copies mysteriously dissapeared) which is being scanned by a friend of mine and posted somewhere, i will keep you posted...

it was written in the 1920s i believe... but annyway... the rule of two is much like the trip through the plannet core...

best ignored!!!

[Mike Mac from NYU]

"The rule of two" is the dumbest aspect of the PT.

I don't mean there have to be as many Suth Lords as jedi. 13 Sith Lords would be sufficient for me.

But I really think there should be an amount like around a 100 or so. I always envisioned that the Sit lords were around the same time as the jedi and because of the wars and purges, there numbers dwindled the same as the jedi's did. There are only two Sith lords in the OT films because those were the only ones to survive.

I also imagine that the Emperor killed a few of his own Sith Lords in disputes and power struggles.

BTW The rule is also not adhered to that well, either. You had Darth Sidiou,, Darth Maul and Darth Tyranus all around in PT films. That's three Sith Lords.

[Mike Mac from NYU]

I also imagine that over a 14 year times span, that if there are only two Sith Lords..........

I imagine that a thousand odd Jedi could somehow find it in themselves to pool there resources and concentrate really hard on finding and eliminating just two sith Lords.

I mean really. I know the galaxy is vast and all, but if you knew that just killing two Sith lords is all it takes to save the Galaxy from decades of despair, don't you think you might be able wise to pool all your resources into eliminating these two guys.


I mean what the hell were the jedi doing all those years between TPM and ATOC???? Just sitting in that damn room in Coruscant sipping ractoginos or something. Shouldn't someone like have pointed out "Hey, you know, Yasrael Poof!, if we actually got all our Jedi's together and really worked hard we could actually end the Sith Lord threat by killing just two Sith . Hell it isn;t even two Sith, we killed one Sith in Darth Maul. Hey we kill Darth Sidous and that's it. Hey you know something???? There might be a connection between Palpatine and Darth Sidious...hmmm......let's start an investigation......."

.............and while we are it... that whiny Anakin bitch, too is bad news too............let's off him to..............I know it might not be the nicest thing to do.........but why take chances..."

[Helena]

I also imagine that over a 14 year times span, that if there are only two Sith Lords..........

I imagine that a thousand odd Jedi could somehow find it in themselves to pool there resources and concentrate really hard on finding and eliminating just two sith Lords.

I mean really. I know the galaxy is vast and all, but if you knew that just killing two Sith lords is all it takes to save the Galaxy from decades of despair, don't you think you might be able wise to pool all your resources into eliminating these two guys.

But not if they didn't know they were there, or where to find them even if they did know... which was the whole point of having only a few Sith, working 'behind the scenes' to destroy the Republic. To be honest I think it works better that way; if there were a hundred Sith, they would find it much harder to stay out of sight, almost certainly making it more likely that they'd be destroyed by the Jedi (who would still greatly outnumber them, after all). It also fits in better with the OT; the Sith were barely mentioned, and it was certainly never suggested that there had been hundreds of them around only a few years ago.

[barend]

Yoda:"hmmp. Doku. hmmp. the dark side i sense in you."
Doku:"really? your powers are a credit to you old friend."
Yoda:"hmmp... the light side, always is..."
Doku:"No, really! I mean after that war, and trying to kill Obi, Ani, and Padmi, or should i say: Huey, Duey, Luey, over there... and attacking both your students, just then cutting off little anis arm... you stroll in here and sense it! My word that's amazing... you should get YOUR OWN GODAMNED SHOW, called : Crossing over with YODA!!!"
Yoda:"hmmp... much anger I-"
Doku:"Don't say it man! I'm shouting, you sense nothing!!! Ani there has being saying his plans to rule the universe out loud for almost a year now... you sensed nothing. Palpatine wears a hood to do evil, you sense nothing, I had to book out a whole freeking stadium before i could convince you to 'sense' the dark side in me!"
Yoda:[i]"hmmmmmp"
Doku:"it's lift this, and levitate that! that's all you could ever do... you suck, like no one has ever sucked before, old friend. stick to tarot cards or something! I've got space station to build...

yes, I'm telling you now, so you can 'sense' it later!!! Nimrod!"

This post has been edited by barend: 08 July 2004 - 09:40 PM