[Toru-chan]

I've only seen the first two episodes. Been meaning to get around to watching the third... but haven't got around to it. Then a funny thing happened. I started watching the rest of Macross Frontier.

And then it hit me...

Macross and Clone Wars both have space battles, but Macross' space battles are awesome. Watched one last night where a hundred or so fighters all launched their missiles at once, music pumping in the background, it gave me goosebumps to watch it.

Macross has an actual plot. I find myself watching-the-next-episode anyway. A big story is unfolding and you want to keep watching to find out more.

Macross' characters are engaging. They're likeable, they can die and their dynamics make them far more interesting. Like Alto and Michael don't like or even respect each other, but at the same time they're friends. It's handled far better than the puerile "Skyguy and Snips" exchanges.

The villains in Macross are softly spoken but far more menacing than anything I've seen on Clone Wars. The Macross Varja are utterly creepy. And I still don't know what's behind them... I want to know more.

Now compare all that to Clone Wars: Both series use of CGI, but Macross uses it in new ways you haven't seen before. CW on the other hand just sticks spaceships with laser bolts flying between them. Clone Wars has lame plots, cardboard characters and when they try to emote it's (pardon the pun) utterly forced. And there's no reason to tune into the next episode. The plots aren't engaging and not like anyone will die.

The self-declared screenwriter (who has no credits and seems to be sucking up to Lucas for a job offer) who writes for WIRED" guy says *we* still don't understand that Clone Wars is meant for kids. But so is Macross. And truth is, Macross is far more interesting. And this may be what kills Clone Wars off - THERE IS MORE INTERESTING STUFF WE CAN BE WATCHING.

I didn't consciously set out not to watch any more Clone Wars, but that's the way it turned out.
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[Commodore]

Toru-chan, you've hit the nail on the head. There are plenty of good shows out there that are technically meant for kids but reach a larger audience because their storytelling fundamentals are strong. The Clone Wars apologists don't get it; just because it's for kids doesn't excuse it from being quality entertainment. It speaks volumes about their respect for young fans when they casually assume that it's okay for children's programming to suck. Where the hell is their pride in their product? Has Lucasfilm become so obsessed with the bottom line that they'll simply churn out the cheapest, fastest 'kiddie' crap they can and retroactively justify their actions by insulting the intelligence of their audience?

Watching one episode of The Clone Wars is all it takes to answer that last question.

[Toru-chan]

The Clone Wars apologists don't get it; just because it's for kids doesn't excuse it from being quality entertainment. It speaks volumes about their respect for young fans when they casually assume that it's okay for children's programming to suck. Where the hell is their pride in their product?

Indeed, Commodore. I've been trying to follow the ratings of the Clone Wars TV show but unlike the excellent boxofficemojo.com for movies, there's nothing for tracking TV shows. Sure Nielsen have the data, but they won't show it to the public. There are a few web sites which talk about it, but they only show the top shows and random picks which makes tracking week to week difficult. They also use bizarre unexplained terms which makes comparison difficult (what the hell is a HH? Households maybe, but that's a guess because I can't find a definition for it *anywhere*)

This showed the ratings falling from 2.36 HH on the premier to 1.55 HH in 4 weeks.

Cartoon Network
Star Wars: Clone Wars Fri 9-9:30 (premiere 10/3)
when HH T12-17 A18-34 A18-49 A25-54
10/3 2.36 2.68 1.06 0.98 0.93
10/10 1.71 1.75 0.80 0.69 0.71
10/17 1.60 1.80 0.60 0.67 0.63
10/24 1.55 1.12 0.72 0.65 0.60

report oct/21/2008 Star Wars: The Clone Wars not in the top 40.
report nov/25/2008 Star Wars: Clone Wars 2.775 (million?)
report dec/7/2008 Star Wars: Clone Wars: Cartoon Network: 1.951 million

http://tvbythenumber...y-and-more/7776

Not a total disaster, but compare that to SpongeBob 40 with viewership of 3.496 million or more. Question is are the mediocre ratings sufficient to pay for the show? Given this crap is only designed to sell crappy toys anyway, I figure Lucas could just buy the slot as a commercial.

Has anyone been watching it BTW?

This post has been edited by Toru-chan: 14 December 2008 - 12:37 AM

[Commodore]

I've watched most of the episodes. It has its ups and downs, with the ups being purely mediocre and the downs being twenty minutes of utter torture (the episode "Bombad Jedi", which features the delightful tag team of C-3P0 and Jar Jar Binks, springs to mind). The writing is incredibly amateurish and squanders some fairly promising premises in order to appeal to the kiddies. Ahsoka is an obnoxious Mary Sue who is proven right at every turn in every episode at the expense of every other character. This apparently serves to stoke the egos of the hyperactive tweens who are the core of the Clone Wars viewership, but it makes every other character in Star Wars seem like an ignorant twit that needs a whiny teenager to point out even the most blatantly obvious solutions to problems.

[clairebear04]

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