[Just another wretched fan]

when we were walking out of the theaters, we were saying "why order 66?"

"why not order 666? or 69? or 911? or 411?"

"what if order 65 was for like a basic maneouvre and the guy screwed up and said

'execute order 66, whoops i mean 65, sorry guys' isn't that a little risky?"

What if Commander Cody wrote down "order 99" but held it upside down? Sidious would be screwed then. Sigh.


Anyway, the Old Republic definately didn't have a post-Sept. 11th security mindset. Hell, we're so paranoid about safety here we don't want the Chinese to buy Unocal.

[Chefelf]

Live this morning...

91 Reasons to Hate Star Wars: Episode III: Revenge of the Sith

Part 6: Reasons 51-60

[Chefelf]

I think those are the best so far Chefelf. But what do you think about Palpatine's manipulations in ROTJ?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I think they're equally as poor. Except you get the feeling that Luke was never in danger of falling for them.

[WalkingCarpet]

Reason #53

How do we know its the same Commander Cody? They're clones, maybe they all have the same rank, the same appearance and the same name!?

Then again, maybe not.

[diligent_d]

This would indeed make sense if it had happened gradually over the years between the PT and OT. However, it doesn't explain why his face ages immediately, and leaves him looking even worse than he did in the OT!

Sorry I should have written that better. That's what I meant to say. The Darkside drained him through the years and years of extensive spiritual exposure to it. At least the explanation in the Darkhorse comics and I think a couple of the novels. It wasn't an immediate thing, like it was in ROTS.

Edit: Though I fully agree that Lucas ignored the previous EU explanation and wanted Palpatines scarring to be due to the lightning, it doesn't explain the suddenly rotting teeth of Palpatine. What's that all about?

This post has been edited by diligent_d: 11 July 2005 - 12:02 PM

[CowboyCurtis]

Chef, I think these are your best yet! Excellent! Just excellent!

And, I too, always thought that Palpatine's appearance was a gradual deterioration of his physical form over time as he used the Darkside of the Force. Again, Lucas exercising a lack of subtlety. I thought he was attempting that a little in AOTC with Palpatine looking older than he does in TPM; age spots and all. Interestingly enough, ROTS Palpatine looks younger than he does in AOTC; no age spots.

Of course, the explanationist would say, "that's because he's using the Dark side to make himself younger..." Really? Then he could do some of that Force-comestics on himself after Windu's attack and look young again, right?

"You don't know the power of the Force compact case!"*

*(Trademarked and marketed by LFL for girls between the ages of 6 and 12 and Sith Lords. Amidala dresses not included, limited supplies, offers and warranties not available on Tatooine---sorry Owen and Beru, you're going to look like crap in a short 19 years..)

This post has been edited by CowboyCurtis: 11 July 2005 - 01:39 PM

[Helena]

Reason #59
Younglings
Why, all of a sudden, are the Jedi children called "younglings?" Replacing the word "younglings" with the word "Padawans" or, even more simply, "children" would have made this ten minute segment of the movie infinitely more tolerable. Instead, we get about five "youngling bombs" dropped on us by Yoda, Obi-Wan and Padme, rapid-fire. Calling them younglings conjures up images of baby trees. It also makes everyone seem like an old geezer. Why not just call them "small fries" or "whippersnappers." "Oh Anakin. Obi-Wan told me terrible things. He said you killed sprouts!"

"Padme! It's all lies. Obi-Wan lies! I would never kill ankle biters! It's not the Jedi way!"

Or 'sprogs' or 'brats' or 'kiddies' or...

But seriously, I don't get this one either. Why not just call them 'children' like any normal person? I could understand Yoda calling them 'younglings' occasionally, as his speech is strange anyway, but now it seems to have become the official term for Jedi children (or even all children; it's hard to tell). It certainly makes lines like 'Not even the younglings survived' very hard to take seriously.

'Not even the whippersnappers survived.' Now that would be a line worth seeing the film for.

[SithAvenger]

I feel sorry for anyone who chose that two minute stretch to use the rest room.

I went to the restroom during that scene. When I returned I asked my friend what happened and he was like: ''Anakin turned to the dark side'' and I was like ''What the hell?''.

Chefelf, the reasons rock.

[showmethemoney]

Sorry I should have written that better.  That's what I meant to say.  The Darkside drained him through the years and years of extensive spiritual exposure to it.  At least the explanation in the Darkhorse comics and I think a couple of the novels.  It wasn't an immediate thing, like it was in ROTS.

Edit:  Though I fully agree that Lucas ignored the previous EU explanation and wanted Palpatines scarring to be due to the lightning, it doesn't explain the suddenly rotting teeth of Palpatine.  What's that all about?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Teeth explanation:
It was a seriously damaged mouth before the prequels bicouse of palpatine's tendencies to eat fast food and candies in the theaters an operas he visited so often.
then, with the electric shocks, all the theeth's metal implants and cosmetic reparations gone melted, that is.

[showmethemoney]

why not order one?
(I mean, we are talkin about secretive orders here, or the jedi would have suspected: hey! there is an order here to kill us all)
It's not the primary objetive of the siths to kill the jedis? what are the previous orders?
order 1: Buy the "Official guide to give stupid names to the new sith knights."
order 2: memorise the guide.
order 5: Get tickets for the next freaky Opera show. Don't forget the donuts.
order 13: massage Commander cody's back.
order 33: build another Deathstar, just in case.
order 45: send strippers to seduce the jedis.
order 65: send sleabogano(?) to tempt the jedis with Death Sticks (we allready watched the poor execution of that one)
Then order 66? nonsense.

This post has been edited by showmethemoney: 11 July 2005 - 05:45 PM

[CowboyCurtis]

LOL!!!

order 1: Buy the "Official guide to give stupid names to the new sith knights."

I want that book!!

[Casual Fan]

Reason #51
Anakin Succumbs to the Dark Side
Anakin, being a Grade A doofus, decides that he must save Palpatine from the clutches of the vile Jedi MACE WINDU! So he chops off Windu's hand and has Palpatine blast him to death with some more of that sweet, sweet Force lightning. He does this for two reasons: 1) He wishes to have Palpatine stand trial and 2) He wants to learn the secrets of keeping people alive so that Padme won't die. However, reason number one goes out the window (along with Mace Windu) as soon as he chops of Mace's hand. In the course of two minutes, Anakin has gone from the Jedi who wants to turn in Palpatine and bring him to trial to surrendering to Palpatine, becoming his apprentice and slaughtering a room full of children. I feel sorry for anyone who chose that two minute stretch to use the rest room.

Even if the rest of the movie was great, this alone would sink it.

[julie123]

Or 'sprogs' or 'brats' or 'kiddies' or...

But seriously, I don't get this one either. Why not just call them 'children' like any normal person? I could understand Yoda calling them 'younglings' occasionally, as his speech is strange anyway, but now it seems to have become the official term for Jedi children (or even all children; it's hard to tell). It certainly makes lines like 'Not even the younglings survived' very hard to take seriously.

'Not even the whippersnappers survived.' Now that would be a line worth seeing the film for.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

[julie123]

Reason 59

For me, Peter Bradshaw in the Guardian Newspaper captures how really stupid this scene was:

"So why does Anakin desert the forces of light? It is his passionate love and concern for his pregnant wife, Princess Amidala, coupled with a sense of his own slighted dignity that are to be the tragic and fateful factors leading to the most unconvincing evil act you can imagine, an event weirdly neutralised by the bloodless unreality that surrounds everything. The vicious Anakin massacres - oh, horror! - a bunch of innocent Jedi children.

But that is not how Lucas's solemnly high-flown script chooses to refer to them. With sub-Shakespearian gravitas, McGregor intones: "Not even the younglings survived." I'm sorry, not even the what? Is that their surname or something? Are Mr and Mrs Youngling going to come home to find a nursery bloodbath?"

[StructureCop]

But that is not how Lucas's solemnly high-flown script chooses to refer to them. With sub-Shakespearian gravitas, McGregor intones: "Not even the younglings survived." I'm sorry, not even the what? Is that their surname or something? Are Mr and Mrs Youngling going to come home to find a nursery bloodbath?"

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Oh, beautiful. Thank you, Peter Bradshaw, that was perfect.