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Posted 27 December 2004 - 07:48 PM

- Anakin is assigned to be Palpatine's bodyguard after his resuce to spy on him....and try to learn who the Sith in the Senate might be. The Council realizes the two are close and use Anakin to exploit that closeness for information. This would contradict the original rumor that Anakin was assigned to protect the Supreme Chancellor as a punishment for killing Dooku. This new theory sounds a bit more plausible and does more to heighten the Jedi's concern about the Sith infiltration into the Senate and suspicions about Palptaine himself.

- Anakin is apparently having dreams and premonitions of Padme's death, much like his mother's dreams haunted him. (Maybe the yellow-eyed shot is from that dream sequence...I don't know). Either way Anakin is rumored to confide these dreams, as he has in the past, to Palpatine, which sets the Supreme Chancellor's final act into motion

-- It is in the theater one night, in celebration of the Chancellor's safe rescue, that Palpatine proceeds to warn Anakin as to the true goals of the Jedi Council, telling a story that the Council is actually behind the corruption of the Senate. He even asks if the council has asked Anakin to act against Palpatine, knowing full well that Anakin was placed there to keep an eye on the Supreme Chancellor. Anakin admits that he was assigned to watch Sidious because the Council felt he was under the influence of this Sith.

Palpatine quietly tells Anakin about what he knows of the Sith. He tells him about a certain mentor he'd had a long time ago, and how he taught him how to extend life. The Sith Lord was so intuned with the Force that he was actually able to manipulate the midichlorians into creating life....(NOTE: it's suggested that the idea that Sidious created Anakin will stop at that comment, remaining a somewhat ambiguous suggestion more than it will be explicitly confessed....meaning we will never then know for certain if the midichlorians created life in Anakin to combat the Sith or was manipulated by the Sith. Perhaps Sidious refers to ancient Sith....or. But it really ups the ante that perhaps Anakin was indeed a Sith apprentice by conception......Lucas's own way of leaving some ends untied it seems).

Anakin apparently becomes interested because he believes by learning these things for himself, he can prevent Padme from dying....and fulfill his promise to his mother to one day "stop people from dying." Anakin asks if he could be taught this, and Palpatine smiles wickedly and says, "Clearly not from the Jedi."

Sidious: "A Jedi gains power through understanding; a Sith gains understanding through power.

-- It has also been suggested that Anakin will betray Sidious as well at some point in the film....but no more as said about the context or direct reasoning for this.

-- Rumor suggests that Anakin does NOT kill Mace...and that it's Palpatine instead via force lightning. Anakin's crime being doing NOTHING, as he's torn and watches his master slowly die. This (nicely, I might add) would mirror Vader standing by doing nothing as Sidious shocks Luke to within an inch of his life. WOuld give us a clearer picture of what was going thru Anakin's head as he watched his son nearly die before deciding to act....

-- Obi Wan is sent to Utapau by specifically leaked information about Grievous's whereabouts in order for Kenobi to be killed before he learns too much about Palpatine too soon. Anakin discovers this "leak" and passes it along to the Council, who then dispatches their General to Utapau. It's a set up by Palpatine and Grievous. Yoda is sent to Kashyyyk with the same intention....to put him in position to be killed and to be far away from Coruscant.

My commentary:

Eh. I'd be a lot more optimistic if Hayden was a good actor who could deliver dialogue well. At least McDiarmid will be in it more, he's one of the only good things about the prequels so far, and with a bigger part, maybe he'll make this one rise above the others. Also, I guess they're going to explain exactly what a sith is.

I still have an open mind and am ready to like ROTS if it's good, I'm not going to go in expecting to hate it. But idk, I have such mixed reactions, on the one hand this does sound more complex like it ties other stuff together (though apparently Lucas will not just let midichlorians go off an die) on the other it could be terribly corny and boring. We'll see.
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Posted 27 December 2004 - 11:37 PM

the part in the theatre is where palps tells anakin of a sith lord called darth plagueis. he is the one who could control life or whatever. and anakin just doesnt watch the whole time. he runs into the ofiice and finds mace attacking palpatine/sidious. at this point sidious falls down and looking up at windu begs for his life.(he does this on purpose to get anakin to come to his aid) windu doesnt give a crap so palps turns to look at anakin and makes him recall the story of darth plagueis the wise. he says plagueis was my master..and i know those secrets and can teach them to you. anakin interferes and battles mace. mace loses a hand. then sidious gives up ..everyone exchanges some dialogue and sidious picks mace up with force lighting and while holding ihm in the air for a few seconds throws him out the window into the traffic below.


thats everything we have pieced together from spoiler reports.


also most of our spoiler reports say the acting is much improved "ian will give a line that will make many a email signatures"

and theres been lots of applauding on sets on stuff for acting.i dont kow we will see but if you look at some screenshots of hayden he looks really into character.

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Posted 28 December 2004 - 11:35 AM

QUOTE (use the force @ Dec 27 2004, 11:37 PM)
also most of our spoiler reports say the acting is much improved "ian will give a line that will make many a email signatures"

and theres been lots of applauding on sets on stuff for acting.i dont kow we will see but if you look at some screenshots of hayden he looks really into character.


Three words: consider the source.

Of course, they're gonna say the acting's improved. What else are they going to say? Personally, I'm not holding my breath.
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Posted 28 December 2004 - 11:54 AM

well for episode 2 they didnt comment on the acting. and now they are. especially ian mcdiarmid
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Posted 28 December 2004 - 11:59 AM

They didn't comment on much of anything for AOTC. You can thank the hype madness for TPM for that.
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Posted 28 December 2004 - 01:25 PM

Just about every rumour I hear about RotS contradicts another rumour I heard somewhere else. I'm not going to dismiss the film before I see it, but - like Sagacity - I'm not holding my breath.
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Posted 28 December 2004 - 03:05 PM

If it's as bad as Clones, I won't be holding my lunch.
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Posted 28 December 2004 - 08:28 PM

Holy Tripe! I can't believe how low Star Wars has sunk!!!

This is absolute crap!!!!!
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Posted 29 December 2004 - 03:00 PM

QUOTE (CowboyCurtis @ Dec 28 2004, 08:28 PM)
Holy Tripe!  I can't believe how low Star Wars has sunk!!!

This is absolute crap!!!!!



This is how far it has, about a month ago I was on a hotel and couldnt sleep they had like 5 HBOs one of them was showing ATOC, the other Freddy Vs. Jason, I watched the two monster kick each other asses.

About the spoilers I have heard too many things. I remember that one of them was that the whole Sith troop: Darth Bane & co. was going to show up. In any case the only spoiler that is true is that RTOJ is going to suck big time.
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Posted 29 December 2004 - 03:09 PM

Frankly, I'm of the belief that Padme is going to betray Anakin. I think she's in league with Palpatine, and has been the whole time. There are threads of it that stretch all the way back to Episode I.

Example:

In Episode I, I think we can all assume that Sidious started this Trade Federation attack as a feint, to make the Senate accept the idea of him as Chancellor and pave the way for a Republic army. However, the Jedi are a surprise for Sidious: he didn't know they were coming. How does he get them out of the Trade Federation's way? The Jedi have to protect Padme. They take her away.

And then when Sidious needs the Federation to be quashed, how does he get Jedi into the scene when they really shouldn't be there? Padme demands to return to Naboo, even though it's COMPLETEY not in her best interests, or the interests of ANYONE except Palpatine.

In Episode II, Padme plays the pushme-pullyou game with Anakin through the whole film, constantly toying with him. Anakin is ordered to protect Padme, and to STAY on Tattooine. Who drags him to Geonosis? Padme.

Then all of a sudden, she confesses her love.

Time and again Anakin and the Jedi have been pulled one direction or another, all because of Padme. She's the most innocent one there, but let's remember, she was ruling a planet at 14. On a "peaceful" planet like Naboo, she used body doubles for protection. You can't just whip a body double up at the last minute, she had them for a long time.

The girl is just not as innoncent as she seems.
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Posted 29 December 2004 - 03:29 PM

SouthernRonin: Unless Lucas hired Vince McMahon to write ROTS this isnt going to happen.
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Posted 31 December 2004 - 11:04 AM

southernronin, actually its the other way around.
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Posted 31 December 2004 - 11:21 AM

Frankly, I'm of the belief that Padme is going to betray Anakin. I think she's in league with Palpatine, and has been the whole time. There are threads of it that stretch all the way back to Episode I.

We can hope that GL could be adept enough at handling so delicate a plotline.

But, alas... ermm.gif
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Posted 02 January 2005 - 11:49 AM

QUOTE (Sagacity @ Dec 31 2004, 11:21 AM)
Frankly, I'm of the belief that Padme is going to betray Anakin. I think she's in league with Palpatine, and has been the whole time. There are threads of it that stretch all the way back to Episode I.

We can hope that GL could be adept enough at handling so delicate a plotline.

But, alas...  ermm.gif


You both are so correct. My expectations were prepared to rise for a second or two there.
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Posted 08 January 2005 - 01:56 PM

Not hot off the presses, but this is a deal killer if it turns out to be true:

Anakin foresees Padme will have a daughter. And that's all. Not twins. Just a daughter.

To the Spoiled at the TF.N's credit, this one isn't going down as smoothly as 99% of the other stuff. There is no way the LFL minions can explain this away to anyone's satisfaction and not look like total idiots. But they'll try. The presence of the twins and how Luke and Leia's paternity is revealled in the OT isn't deep geek knowledge. People with a casual knowledge of SW will know, and there are many more of them than there are of us. They'd notice this right away.

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