why does Yoda look so different?
#1
Posted 12 January 2004 - 11:42 AM
But honestly, I think he looks nothing alike. And I'm not alone.
My wife(who's only seen episode II), caught me watching Empire and she said
"is that guy supposed to be yoda, that cant be yoda?".
He's a diffent color, has different facial structure, basically totally different.
They should have stuck to the puppet, then thrown in the digital when he fought.
whatcha think?
the old
#2
Posted 12 January 2004 - 11:43 AM
Damn muppets were more believable.
And 30 years in the lifespan of a 900 year old creature shouldn't make a lick of difference.
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#5
Posted 12 January 2004 - 03:31 PM
"Luke, hurry you must to train - be complete -ing. Old get - I am - ing, and be soon will dying, me. Notice words how in funny order I speaking am? Senility of it is sure sign, sure it you of be can."
So yeah, Yoda appearing lithe and limber 30 years earlier doesn't surprise me at all. This is the thing: Yoda's species actually lives about 40 years. When he told Luke he'd been training Jedi for 900 years, it was bullshit. But, he hates the job so much, and is always trying to turn down students ("Hmm, these sperm hardly motile at all. Too old to begin the training, fear I. Also, anger and shit, and I am weak in Force, and hey is that a cheeseburger?"). So to him it seemed like 900 years, and hence his statement was true "from a certain point of view."
PS: I saw JEDI on opening day, and in Vancouver it opened in only one theatre. So all the most rabid STAR WARS fans in the city (and neighbouring small towns not fortunate enough to have a print) were lined up for that first screening. And that line got booed when Ben said it. Because let's face it; JEDI sucked. Not like the PT, but it was sure no EMPIRE.
#6
Posted 12 January 2004 - 03:55 PM
Jedi: Special Edition, on the other hand, sucked. Really, really bad.
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#7
Posted 12 January 2004 - 04:35 PM
I agree. everything was moving real fast to tie up loose ends. "(Oh yeah. by the way,) yoda said there was another..." made this quite obvious. like, why not wait around for ghostly yoda to show up and ask him yourself? given the filler content they have to deal with now, methinks it'll be as rapid as plugging in the last 6 pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. with none of the reward of completing a puzzle from the beginning.
btw, I believe a lot of it is emotional. Yoda's looks are judged by the quality of the film in which he appears.
#8
Posted 12 January 2004 - 06:57 PM
If he is so young and vibrant at 900 (or 870), then why does he need a walking stick?
The fight he put up against Dooku was beyond anything I've ever seen before. It was even more fast paced than the matrix fight scenes. But to perform everyday functions, Yoda needs a walking cane or floating device. Nothing adds up.
Lucas made him look young, but gave him the same frail characteristics.
Regarding those two photos you have: The old school Yoda looks much more wise and kind. I was sad the first time I saw him die. The new one......I could care less, I have no emotional attachment to him at all. I've said this before, I do not make the connection with the OT and prequels. They are seperate trilogies in my eyes that tell completely different stories. The prequel is a parallel universe or something of that nature.
#9
Posted 12 January 2004 - 07:46 PM
#10
Posted 12 January 2004 - 07:51 PM
#12
Posted 13 January 2004 - 12:28 AM
#13
Posted 13 January 2004 - 03:36 AM
Nearly everything about "From a certain point of view" is wrong. Here are a few things that spring to mind:
1) By saying that to Luke, Ben is telling him that he lied openly to him, and isn't the least bit remorseful.
2) He is also telling Luke that this is as good an answer as he's going to give him, which makes me think Ben doesn't think much of Luke.
3) When Ben lies to Luke, and lets the lie stand even while knowing that Luke will confront Vader, he is deliverately putting Luke in a terrible spot. Apparently Ben thought it ok to send Luke off to commit patricide, knowing that if he succeeded he's probably go a bit dark forcey when he found out he'd killed his own father and Ben and Yoda had tricked him into doing it. And if he failed, well, that would have been bad as well.
4) The actual line doesn't have any of the depth you suggest, nor any of the depth I allow it in my previous three complaints. It is as awful a line as Spock's FINAL FRONTIER reply to why he'd never told anyone he had a brother ("You never asked). It stinks of bad writing, of the making-this-up-as-I-go variety.
5) It undermines the seriousness of the situation. The line was booed in the theatre I attended, and with good reason. Everyone felt cheated. Here was an opportunity for Ben to break down and admit that he was not perfect, and that Luke's unique situation overwhelmed him. Instead, he drops an old Stan Laurel line amd drags the thing down to the level of cheap comedy.
6) It's in the same scene where we learn that Leia is Luke's sister. Fortunately, it's not also in the scene where we learn that Darth Vader built R2D2, that Anikin killed Boba Fett's father, or that Anikin was the result of some sort of Force-enacted parthenogenesis. So it's not as bad as some of that stuff, but damn, it's not good.
#14
Posted 13 January 2004 - 03:54 AM
Where are you getting this? Because if it's in the novelization, that doesn't make it in the movie. Frankly, if we need novelizations to clear up details of movies, then we're looking at some bad screenwriting. EMPIRE ended with Luke saying to Lando "I'll see you at the rendezvous point on Tatooine." Then, what? They waited a year to go save Han Solo? that doesn't make any sense. Luke didn't go back to his training with Yoda, so what dd he do for a year? The plan he had for saving Han mihgt have taken a few days to put together, at best (and franly, it suffered from overelaboration. Luke would have fared better had he taken sixty or seventy well-armed rebel troops, maybe a few X-Wings, and killed every man, woman and creature in Jabba's palace to get Han back. I mean, what's he care?
Again. Where are you getting this? And yes, it is hard to accept that he caught a sudden illness and died, since he died within minutes of Luke getting there. How the hell do people in the movies have this ability to die on cue? (Note that Shmee dies in Anikin's arms, after having lingered for weeks) Yoda's death in JEDI really smacked of "we need a sad scene now, to balance out all the comedy." It was pointless and stupid.
It does. It sucks like TEMPLE OF DOOM. It's just pointless repetition of element and characters from the previous two films. There's a new Death Star! The Emperor tries to seduce Luke, like Vader did in EMPIRE! There's a lightsaber duel! You were shocked to hear about Luke and Darth? WEll, what about Luke and Leia?