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Darth Player,

Thanks for that lengthy post. I enjoyed reading it.

Do or do not...Yoda "did not" against the Emperor. He didn't say "it can't be done," he said "I failed."

Is Yoda thinking of his own failure when he tells Luke "there is no try"? When he levitates the X-wing for Luke, is he proving to himself that he still has some power left?

I always thought it was necessary for Luke to see that it *could* be done, since an important part of his training was breaking down the preconceived notions of reality that he had built up over the years.

Greedo-v-Solo

Ahahaha. I'm with you guys on this one -- I liked it alot better when Solo shot first!

However, I think you're being rather harsh on Vader. And you're moralizing in a way that is far too Western for the movies in question.

"Oh, it's you, how do you do" -- you make it sound as if there's a heaven that these people are going to, that they'll retain their individual personalities, that they'll continue to bear grudges. Not in the East! With these movies, we're dealing with the worldview of, say, the Tao Teh Ching, not the Divine Comedy.

And if you must be Western about it, it wasn't even Vader's idea to blow up Alderaan. It was Tarkin's. Vader just went along with it, because he was an underling in the first movie.

Well, not just taking someone out, but changing the state of one's mind. And not "heaven."

Good move changing the topic, you're certainly not going to make any progress trying to diminish Vader's redemption. It's actually brilliant to turn the conversation towards the Greedo scene, something that no one on Earth can defend.

I'm hoping the Greedo scene is one of the things that will change when the movies are altered again...I have never heard a good, serious defense of making Greedo shoot first, and I can't think of one. Can anyone??

Ohhhh, now I understand your point. Yeah, that is much clearer now. And it's a pretty good point, too.

I suppose Lucas was going for a delayed scream of anguish, like it's building up...hence all the Force-destruction of the lab. It wouldn't have been so silly-sounding if it were just a howl, or a sob -- or if JEJ didn't give us the best line reading of his entire career.