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  1. In Topic: A humble submission, sequel trilogy

    Posted 26 Aug 2010

    ST,

    Good stuff. Some questions: How do you intend to resolve the story of the '1,000 generations' business (20,000 years)?

    Some thoughts. I always saw the Clone Wars as being something like this-

    1. Jedi can't be beat. They are -that- good. The Empire has tried, for a long time.
    2. Sith decide that it would be a good idea if the Empire stopped trying. On a continued
    breathing level. Jedi got upset, stomped the Sith (or 'a' Sith who became the
    namesake).
    3. Sith survivors escape due to corrupt political alliances. Decide to help the Empire
    and teach those naughty Jedi a lesson they won't soon forget.
    4. Midichlorians are found to be the key to successful Cloning. Jedi find themselves
    fighting an enemy just like them. Start to lose. One innocuous guy helps out by
    supplying battle droids (which should me more like Terminators and less like Laurel and
    Hardy).
    5. Things get worse as clones also start to appear behind the lines as Jedi and Leadership
    type persons and the whole Republic fragments into civil war based on these 'Sixth Day'
    type rendition/replacement efforts. Somewhere in this we learn that a 'Sith' is
    involved as a family name the Jedi recognize.
    6. It's revealed that there are TWO Sith operating in this when the outside man (working
    for the Empire) gets lucky and goes for a deep penetration raid that eventually ends up
    overrunning the Republic. And on Coruscant, as the terms for surrender are about to be
    negotiated, the other (Sidious/Palpatine) steps out to meet and greet. Only to turn on
    both his Master and the Jedi by commanding the Clones -and- Droids to attack everyone.
    7. At this point, it is revealed that Anakin, who has had a dark personality to begin with
    but is coming along nicely with a wife and a purpose in life. Only to find out, in the
    end, he is a clone too. And has been secretly aiding and abetting Sidious even though
    he doesn't always remember being there (one of those psychodrama things where "And
    there he was cloaked in shadows (Darth Vader) and I just...went blank." _Because you
    were him, nutjob._ This allows us to see 'Darth Vader' much earlier in the story.
    8. Anakin throws off his evilness to save the day from Sidious' massive Force attacks
    (pumping up the midis has made him a serious Force power) but dies_ in the process.
    Only to be reincarnated by Sidious after telling Obiwan to save Padme` and the brats.
    9. Thus the setup for the reason why Luke (and the Light Side) go to such incredible
    lengths to save the man who is a zombie inside a dead shell. Anakin did everything
    right. And simply had choice taken away from him.

    One other thing. I don't remember Obiwan giving all that extra stuff about trying to save Anakin in ROTJ. I only remember the "He's more machine than man now, twisted and evil." response to Luke's insistence that there is good inside Vader.

    If this is SE crap, please don't use it. The SURPRISE should be that Anakin is Darth Vader. And everyone should vigorously aid in sticking their thumbs in Lucas' eye for screwing up the OT as much if not more than the PT.


    Saberist
  2. In Topic: Star Wars: The Live-Action Show

    Posted 12 Mar 2009

    QUOTE (Commodore @ Mar 11 2009, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Well, it's starting. From here



    Lucas has apparently characterized the show as "Deadwood meets the Sopranos in space." I'm skeptical about his ability to pull this off, given his atrocious screenwriting skills, but I like the idea.



    Uhmmm, yeah.

    QUOTE
    Bryne couldn’t have been more pleased about her time working with Lucas on 2002’s “Attack of the Clones.” “My experience was wonderful,” she said. “George is a great guy. I was just there for a week, standing behind Natalie [Portman] looking very demure and supportive. 95% of the fan mail I get is from ‘Star Wars’ and I’ve never seen them.”

    As much as she enjoyed the “Star Wars” experience, Byrne, who was nominated for a Golden Globe for her work on FX’s “Damages,” will not be auditioning for the live-action series. “I’m on a show,” she said. “I don’t know if I look that good in space.”


    Does Lucas not get the Joke? The woman never saw the movies. Doesn't 'know if she'll look good in space'. Without Portman to stand in front of her. Run! Hide! FEAR!

    http: //moviesblog.mt...sting-underway/


    Saberist
  3. In Topic: Luke and Leia Poised to Make Out

    Posted 19 Feb 2009

    Helena,

    >>
    No it's not. If Anakin's relationship with Luke's mother was so bad at that time that Luke had to be hidden from him, why the hell would she have another child with him 2 years later?
    >>

    Imagine: Padme` (or whoever) is raped by Darth and carries the child to term but 'really doesn't want to be around it', after. Kid gets dropped off on Tatooine to live with Uncle Owen, family retainer or simple friend/acquaintance.

    A couple years later, she conceives a child with Anakin who IS wanted and runs with her when the fall of the Jedi makes life hard for their families.

    It would certainly stand to reason that Anakin would be pissed at having Darth put one in his woman.

    >>
    That' s not the point. If 'Darth Vader' was originally mean as Anakin's 'fake' name, why did he change it to a title later? The only obvious reason for doing that was this: He originally planned for the two to be different people, changed his mind by the time of ESB, and decided that making 'Darth' a title would be simpler than explaining why Anakin had changed his name.
    >>

    In theory, you could make Lord an assumptive (Prerogative? It's been awhile since I studied the royal title systems) and Darth a conveyed or titular rank.

    'All Aristos are Lords but Vader is an Iron Duke.'

    It could also be an unrelated title with separate meaning to the Sith culture/religion specifically. Prior to the Rule Of Two nonsense, The Sith sound like a lot more interesting GROUP identity. Given the PT doesn't really tell us anything at all about them, acknowledging any details of their belief system or class structure is pointless if there are 'only two' but it may be a case of traditions dying last as a form of clique identity.

    >>
    Actually, yes, I can be certain. ALL the evidence points that way and absolutely none in the other direction. Just because I can only be 99.99% certain rather than 100% certain doesn't mean that my opinions are nothing but 'speculation'. There are times when it really doesn't pay to play devil's advocate, xenduck; you either end up looking stupid or completely unwilling to face reality.
    >>

    My problem is the 'Leia remembers Mommy and her hiding in a trunk together' thing from the ROTJ novelization tends to indicate that Luke and She were separated both from each other and from their parents at separate times with Leia either the older sister or one who remained with her mother long enough to /become/ mental-age able to remember specific events.

    If they are twin born, it becomes possible to do this only as a function of Mommy Whoever thinking one of them is dead. She carries Leia in her arms, Obiwan/Anakin the other in their's, Big Boom and you cry when you have time to weep. Such would also give a justifiable reason for MW to be 'very sad' at losing the Husband/Lover/Friend AND her other kid...

    That said, if the Lars' get the kid only as a handoff, it's equally possible that they don't know Luke's precise age either. I'm sure that SWU can scan the human equivalent to tree rings (probably cellular division rates and/or bone length/calcification) but again, _if this is a Jedi kid_ they may be terrified of the consequences of getting caught and an MCC fraction would be a giveaway.


    Saberist
  4. In Topic: How NOT to become a Jedi

    Posted 31 Jan 2008

    I think you're completely wrong that Star Wars toys are so potentially lethal. I mean, that weight you're talking about, it's all in the handle, right? Ah whatever, why don't you tell me how many injuries and lawsuits there have been in the 10 years since TPM, when these toys came out? I also express doubt if you don't mind that a flashlight could potentially blind someone "for life," but I'm sure you'll tell me it's a secret NASA high powered laser or some such nonsense. So Lucas not only makes stupid movies, he also has no sense of age-appropriate toys? That, or maybe you're taking this waaaaaaaayyyyy too seriously?

    I agree with the original comment of course that that dude looks ridiculous holding the thing with his hands over one another like that. I scoff at all the other pretentious garbage about how you're a master warrior of the plastic flashlight-sword and how you object to this on the grounds that it is injurious to your noble and ancient art.

    Please let me know how those lawsuits are coming.


    CV#2,

    You jam someone in the eye with even a dull object and you can do real damage.

    Yes, the weight is nominally in the hilt but the point is that if you have a 27" blade and a 2lb hilt all the /rotation/ is going to be near the body which is where the wrists of even a young person have their greatest strength and the weapon itself concentrates most of it's mass. Now think about the arc radius of a swing that is 1ft long vs. one which is 2ft further out beyond that. More distance for the same lever weight = more KE on the tip than 'seems' to be the case at the hilt. A secondary problem then arising in that, if the tip breaks off, it will continue to follow the same basic path.

    Claiming that I claimed to be a master warrior is neither pertinent nor accurate.

    Nor is the notion that Lucas 'knows best' with regards to what is safe for a kid. The man has consistently claimed that these are 'kids' films but the end of very movie that includes Jar Jar Binks as a dork show has a man cut in half through the torso. Another loses his arm in the next film and is completely dismembered and burned alive in the last.

    These are not images for children, certainly not of the ages shown in the photo and Lucas should know better. He simply doesn't care.

    Sorry, but it should be said that if you teach the way things should be used, they never will be, by accident. If you assume that they won't be without bothering to THINK if they can be abused, then you set not just yourself up but those who are in your care and too young to know the difference to have a nasty accident.

    As for the lawsuits, I doubt seriously if there are any listed events because those who are hurt are probably bought off with an NDA or have no rights because of a 'warning label'.

    They are not toys. They should not be made as such.


    Saberist


    LINKS-
    'I have injured plenty of people with toy lightsabers'
    http: //kotaku.com/34...aber-peripheral

    BBC Mock Duel Injury
    http://209. 85.173.10...w...cd=13&gl=us

    Kid goes after attacker
    http://www. prosports...ad.php?t=177577
  • In Topic: How NOT to become a Jedi

    Posted 29 Jan 2008

    Saberist, these are plastics toys weighing about 3 ounces, right? What danger do you think there is for "broken small bones (fingers, cheeks, elbows, knees at least) and potentially soft tissue damage through 'accidental' shots to the face/neck, groin, gut and particularly eyes?"

    These are not weapons, they are toys. They don't need any special instruction. The dude isn't there to teach anything; he's there to sell toys. The group is diverse on race and age, so that kids of all ages might buy the toys.

    They're not real lightsabers, and they aren't real swords. They're toys.

    It's about selling toys.


    CV#2,

    My 'toy' is about 30 inches long. With batteries it weighs about 2.5lbs. The green plastic is so tough that I cannot compress the tip with two fingers. Said tip is less than .5 inches across. It has a 'built in sound chip' which _encourages you_ to swing faster so that you get the whum-tshhhh effect of blade clash.

    Buy a 'toy' similar to mine then and then let someone with full-extension smack you in the pinky finger with it. Do it as hard as MacGregor did to Christiansen in the practice duel of 'Empire Of Dreams'.

    Realizing 'that for realisms sake' there is no crossguard.

    Then put the tip really close to your eye and flick on the light switch. And ask yourself if that's the last image you want to be seeing from that half of your face, for life.

    Now imagine that your finger bones are about half as thick and really soft because they have not calcinated yet. And your reactions are really slow because you're only about 5.

    You don't teach children weapons use. They don't understand the difference between a 'toy = play' and an angry or aggressive misuse of same as 'weapon = get even'. Or perhaps they understand it all too well but don't 'get' the consequences.

    Whatever, you are effectively teaching them that it's okay to use a 'toy' which the movie characters DO intend to strike each other with. Or at least seam to. Without any of the discipline that goes with a real sensei teaching the realities of sword art with _protective clothing as a requirement_.

    Sooner or later, something bad will happen. We wouldn't be half as suit-happy if we weren't half as stupid as to fail to forsee the obvious.


    KPl.
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