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  1. In Topic: "Bodies" Exhibit Debate

    Posted 13 Feb 2008

    Tune in to the 20/20 story on this topic Friday 2/15. Should be interesting. Looking forward to hear what you think.

    Human Bodies on Display: Whose Are They? Where Do They Come From?
    http://abcnews.go. com/2020

  2. In Topic: "Bodies" Exhibit Debate

    Posted 17 Dec 2007

    QUOTE (Emu @ Dec 16 2007, 01:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    As for the original topic: if the thing about using bodies of executed political prisoners for the exhibit is true, then all debate about the afterlife / wishes of the deceased aside, I think it is morally objectionable for (1) the creators of the exhibit to be profiting off of this, and (2) the creators of the exhibit to financially support the torture and execution of political prisoners by buying their bodies.
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    Thank you, Emu, for saying something clear and sensible.

  3. In Topic: "Bodies" Exhibit Debate

    Posted 29 Nov 2007

    Ok. Well, I thought this debate was about bodies exhibited for profit and whether it was educational and/or unethical. Personally I think it is educational and unethical, like Mengele's experiments. Very educational. That, for me (maybe its just me) is a completely different discussion than whether you want or consent to donating your organs to help someone medically. It does touch on individual consent. But I don't equate public titillation with the altruism of organ donation. Is anyone interested in talking about what Mireaux7 brought up as the original topic?

  4. In Topic: "Bodies" Exhibit Debate

    Posted 27 Nov 2007

    Since I like talking about the side-issue, off-topic points, I don't think there's anything intrinsically atheistic about organ donation. I could imagine and in fact pen a very Christian treatise on the virtue of the thing. Shit, I could even imagine it as a sacrament. Bodily burial is luddite. In fact, don't we all thing that Jehovah's Witnesses are goofs for refusing blood donations? Pretty much everyone thinks that, Atheist and Christian and pagan and baby-eating Satanist. The collective assessment is that those guys are retards. Why can we all agree on that, but the idea of giving my kidney to a stranger after a car wreck left me in a permanent vegetative state is so freaky?*

    Of course, I did mock anscestor worship. Maybe I shouldn't have. My anscestors burned people alive, possibly in ritual, possibly in punishment, and they were so damned weird eben the Romans were afraid to conquer them. That may be worthy of praise after all.

    *Note to those afraid of organ donation: signing the card gives noone the power to do anything. A relative still has to speak for you. The card is legally meaningless, but often it reminds relatives of your wishes, and sometimes they decide to honour them.


    Civilian number 2

    The collective assessment. Hmmm. Now that IS a scary way of making decisions. How is that assessment done exactly? By vote? Whoever screams the loudest? Number of posts in a debate forum?

    And did you in the same post say that an individual's wishes should be honored after death? Sounds like you just contradicted yourself to me. Or, is it only wishes that YOU or the COLLECTIVE approve of? What if a person does NOT wish to be paraded around after death in an exhibit for other's profits? (afterall, I didn't think this debate was focused on organ donation.) What if they were carrying a card for that to remind their families (and governments) to 'honor' their wishes after death? Should it include other reminders, like not to be cannibalized?

  • In Topic: "Bodies" Exhibit Debate

    Posted 26 Nov 2007

    QUOTE (Spoon Poetic @ Nov 26 2007, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Okay, I somehow forgot to put a sentence in that I meant to. I don't want the state to own anyone's body or parts therein, considering governments are generally evil. But I don't understand why people have such a big problem with the idea of donating. Like, why can't that be the norm, and the people who don't donate when they die be the ones people think are weird?

    If a government were perfect and not corrupt (if that were possible) I wouldn't have a problem with them deciding what to do with a dead person's organs, I don't think.

    And Sailor Abbey, I know where you're coming from, but I don't think it's quite so bad as you think (well, maybe on some issues). Such as right now, where the "atheist" in question is in the minority on this debate. And a couple people do try to see things from other points of view, but I definitely share your frustration on that issue for the most part. Which is why I tried to start a debate where people were given their sides, but it didn't go over so well. sad.gif


    I hope you're not putting ME in that category. I don't have any problem with people donating their bodies for legitimate science or to help others. The key differences here is that evidence shows that
    1. these were not donated (issue of consent) and
    2. This is entertainment for the masses, titillation, dead body porn, not education. At least, not education in that the money goes for further education. It may be education along the same lines as Mengele learning a lot for science from throwing acid in people's eyes, but not ethical education.

    Thank you, Sailor Abbey, for the pointers. I'll try to keep that in mind.

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