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Posted 07 April 2010 - 03:11 AM

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1. What a spectacular waste of money. To think there's "people" who want to give these idiots more money. The idiots being bureaucrats, both civilian and military.
2. This is much more awesome than the way the "insurgents" do it, which is just kidnapping a bunch of people and torturing them to death. Then again, I bet the pilots only have half the testicle mass of the insurgents. If that.
3. Holy shit, it's so realistic! The way their bodies drop and react to being hit by bullets. Not to mention how the duck behind cover. It's almost as realistic as GTA4.
4. You want a recruiting video? That's your recruiting video.
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Posted 07 April 2010 - 04:22 AM

Uhh... what's the point that were supposed to discuss here? :huh:

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 04:31 AM

View PostGobbler, on 07 April 2010 - 07:22 PM, said:

Uhh... what's the point that were supposed to discuss here? :huh:

The inefficiency of military bureaucracy, how that bureaucracy only has the purpose of shitting out outdated equipment which can only be effectively used against other military bureaucracies and how said equipment and said bureaucracy has turned war into a videogame. Which it is, by the way. I mean blowing up a group of people in a city has no actually bearing on the war whatsoever, regardless of who those people are or which city they're in. It's not going to limit attacks because those attacks are being carried out by people not stupid enough to brag about their accomplishments and get pinpointed by a neighbour when the local government starts torturing people. It's really entertaining, though.
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Posted 07 April 2010 - 06:57 AM

Wait, hold on, explain that jump to the whole bureaucracy thingy some more. And the outdated equipment thingy. Where'd that come from?
And I don't know about that whole irrelevance thingy, seems to me like wars are pretty much about arbitrarily killing relevant people. More or less.

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 08:54 AM

View PostGobbler, on 07 April 2010 - 09:57 PM, said:

Wait, hold on, explain that jump to the whole bureaucracy thingy some more. And the outdated equipment thingy. Where'd that come from?

I mean obsolete concepts for equipment. The entire military budget is spent on obsolete weapons like tanks, APCs, planes and helicopters. (All of them have been proven to be obsolete as a result of the extensive use of RPGs. Except planes. They're just inaccurate.) Apart from that you have scores of "retired" generals who are "advising" the military and get paid by arms manufactures to lobby for the purchases of these obsolete weapons.

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And I don't know about that whole irrelevance thingy, seems to me like wars are pretty much about arbitrarily killing relevant people. More or less.

From a military standpoint, yeah. But it's also about subjugation. You can't just keep killing people. And don't think that subjugation is about winning "hearts and minds" either. The people America is fighting are basically gangbangers, rednecks and professional solders or the family members of gangbangers, rednecks and professional solders. At least that's what they are during peacetime. During wartime they're "war heroes."

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 01:53 PM

Deuc, I usually dont stand up for the US in Iraq, but in this case, first off, your title is insane, provocative, and inapropriate. Secondly, those choppers fired on a crowd of insurgents wielding RPGs (the kind that could bring down a chopper) So they were justified, and the reporters really shouldnt have been running around in the middle of a crowd of armed insurgents. The attack on the van afterwards was indecent to be sure though. I'm amazed that mister "torture everyone, kill the palestinians" has somehow shifted to a fucking human rights advocate over the deaths of half a dozen civilians in a war that has killed hundreds of thousands of civilians.

Also, tanks and so forth are not obsolete. Just because they have vulnerabilities does not make them obsolete.

And what differentiates between gangbangers, rednecks, and professional soldiers? Could one of those two groups become a professional soldier? Why or why not? And how does one become a professional soldier before joining the army then, if the army only recruits from those three groups?

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Posted 26 December 2010 - 10:50 PM

By "professional soldiers" I meant mercenaries, by the way. Just wanted to clear that up. And America's military is full of them. The sort of people who'd join any military during peace time tend to be monsters or at least unscrupulous. And only monsters progress, during war or peace. It takes a special breed of monster to make a good soldier.
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Posted 27 December 2010 - 04:06 AM

Ok, a mercenary is absolutely not someone who serves in a national army. You're making up your own definitions for words again. Stop that. Also, I don't think "I want money for college" or "There are no jobs and I want out of my town" qualifies a person as a monster. Please explain why only monsters progress in rank within the American, or any other military. Actually, don't bother. The highest rank an enlisted can really get is, I think, Corporal or Lieutenant. To get anywhere decent you have to go to officer school. Which I guess makes you a monster for some reason? Or possibly a mercenary?

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Posted 27 December 2010 - 06:06 AM

View PostJ m HofMarN, on 27 December 2010 - 07:06 PM, said:

Ok, a mercenary is absolutely not someone who serves in a national army. You're making up your own definitions for words again. Stop that. Also, I don't think "I want money for college" or "There are no jobs and I want out of my town" qualifies a person as a monster. Please explain why only monsters progress in rank within the American, or any other military. Actually, don't bother. The highest rank an enlisted can really get is, I think, Corporal or Lieutenant. To get anywhere decent you have to go to officer school. Which I guess makes you a monster for some reason? Or possibly a mercenary?


It's sergeant or staff sergeant and I'm pretty sure you can be promoted in the field. In any case they join, as you've just claimed, for purely selfish reasons. On top of that they're willing to kill people in order to get a scholarship or because they're too lazy to move to a new town/city to find a job. How the fuck aren't they monsters?
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Posted 27 December 2010 - 11:21 PM

If you want to look at things from a negativist point of view, there are no human actions that are not done for purely selfish reasons. And joining the army doesnt imply that you'll have to kill someone, I think you specifically targeted people who join in peace time as being monsters, even though, as there is no war currently occuring, they wouldnt be called upon to kill anyone.

...How the fuck can someone with no job and funds just uproot to a new town or city where they know no one and have no job prospects? They'd end up homeless on the street. Do you even think of things before you type them?

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Posted 27 December 2010 - 11:35 PM

Soldiers are not called upon to kill people in peacetime. When they are killing people, they are at war. I think there's a definition to be referenced there. And there are numerous reasons to join the military. True, some recruiters push the patriotism buttom a little too hard, but that's a real thing and it genuinely does move people to sign up. Obviously f there were lots of easy-to-get jobs in manufacturing or labour, then uneducated guys would have more options. But as it is, the military can be made to appear attractive, especially if there is no obvious war you're likely to be sent to. Monsters, indeed. You should move to the US and get a job with the National Enquirer. I don't think you're capable of anything but the most extremist comments.
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Posted 28 December 2010 - 06:02 AM

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If you want to look at things from a negativist point of view, there are no human actions that are not done for purely selfish reasons. And joining the army doesnt imply that you'll have to kill someone, I think you specifically targeted people who join in peace time as being monsters, even though, as there is no war currently occuring, they wouldnt be called upon to kill anyone.

...How the fuck can someone with no job and funds just uproot to a new town or city where they know no one and have no job prospects? They'd end up homeless on the street. Do you even think of things before you type them?


(1) "Peacetime" American military bases all around the world have high crime rates. Apart from that, a good portion of females in the military are raped. I'm sure that most recruits in the military are abused. It's not a culture appealing towards people who aren't sick fucks. It's like prison. Even if you're proper going in, the likelihood that you'll be normal when you get out is slim. But also it's an institution designed to dehumanize people. Like all institutions, really.
(2) Because mass migrations have never happened in America ever. Right.
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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:47 PM

1: Yes. People join the military either for the purposes of raping, or in order to be raped. It's in all the recruitment videos. Also, I'm immensely curious as to what you consider normal. And if all institutions are meant to dehumanize the sacred individual, why exactly have you singled out the military? Please consider when you reply that a corporation or business is an institution as well.
2: The last mass migration in the US was during the great depression. Steinbeck wrote about how people were treated during that time, but then, you don't much favor all them fancy book learnins.

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Posted 29 December 2010 - 02:02 AM

They join for selfish (or fanatical) reasons and they're dehumanized by indoctrination. Wherever they're stationed, the crime rate spikes. Whenever they come home, they're much more like to abuse others or themselves. Maybe you wish to humanize monsters. Seeing as how a good portion of humanity has been on the receiving end of their so-called humanity (including your own people I might add) I'd think you're bullshitting me. Or yourself.
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Posted 29 December 2010 - 03:00 AM

Doesnt every country in the world have a military pretty much? Why is it that only the US military is a monster-infested-rape-fest? Are other militaries like this? Why not?

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