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Post icon  Posted 23 September 2009 - 11:45 AM

I just read the Extra Punctuation article on 'Splosion Man and stopped at this:

Ben Croshaw, on 28 August 2009 - 06:00 PM, said:

I don't even believe in love. I believe that what people call 'love' is a combination of herding instinct, peer pressure, need for security and good old-fashioned lust. I hate all that over-idealized, moony-eyed devotion evident in most romantic movies because I've seen (and been in) the kind of shit that it always transmutes into over time. I think Orpheus was a clingy little bitch, and I'm suspicious of how people always seem to find their 'one true love' living within a few miles. Often more than one.


I think I can agree on love not being all that it's hyped up to be, but that stuff about the shit that it always transmutes into over time...? I get what he's referring to, seen it as well, but I've also seen plenty of cases where it didn't turn out like that. At this point I'm probably only arguing semantics, but I guess he just never got out of that whole messy initial infatuation stage and reached the safe point of a steady and satisfying relationship. Or am I mistaken and long-term love really is just a hoax well played by a billion actors?



And could somebody enlighten me about that Orpheus reference? All I can remember about him is that he blasted the Sirens away with his Greek punk rock. Cute, but not the first thing that would come to my mind when thinking of love.

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 12:55 PM

I'd rather not condescend to Yahtzee by analysing his past relationships, especially considering we know nothing about them, and that this is his own fucking forum.

Yahtzee is entitled to his materialist opinion. I think that to devalue love in this manner is to devalue humanity and all its other facets, which is a bleak viewpoint I would rather not subscribe to.
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 03:52 PM

View PostAdamM, on 23 September 2009 - 07:55 PM, said:

I'd rather not condescend to Yahtzee by analysing his past relationships, especially considering we know nothing about them, and that this is his own fucking forum.

Oh I'm sure he wouldn't mind, though that's not really what I was getting at. I'm merely curious for different opinions here. Yahtzee writes about things that he has given some thoughts to and most of the time manages to hit the nail on the head with his deductions, yet not always, and that's usually the stuff that could possibly make for some good discussions.

View PostAdamM, on 23 September 2009 - 07:55 PM, said:

I think that to devalue love in this manner is to devalue humanity and all its other facets, which is a bleak viewpoint I would rather not subscribe to.

But that's just hollering for history's attention, isn't it? We don't want to be forgotten, so we must be something more than just replicating mammals with some intelligence who ultimately don't have that much of a purpose safe for the one that we choose for ourselves. Where's the romantic thought in being clingy like that?

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 04:43 PM

Whether or not love exists is an entirely different question from whether or not real romance exists.

Love in general is very real, very important, and so much bigger than romance.

Whether or not "true love" as romance exists is up for debate. I tend to lean towards the idea that it does, but not for everyone, and it's built on a solid friendship more than mutual adoration. I don't believe in the one true love concept, or the idea that everyone has a destiny-approved mate, or that there are people who are not whole people until they meet their true love. I don't know though. I'm about the least qualified person to speak on the subject ever.
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 09:30 PM

I might be wrong, because I am too lazy to look this up to clarify, but I think Orpheus was the one who, when his wife died, went down to Hell/Hades and was all YO MAN CAN I HAVE MY WIFE BACK PLEASE and and Hades was like, sure man, but when she follows you out of the underworld you can't look at her until you get back to the surface, and Orpheus was like COOL BRO so he goes up to the surface but at the last second is like HO SHIT WHAT IF MY WIFE ISN'T THERE and then he peeks and she is but he BROKE THE DEAL and then she is gone forever and he sang and cried until he died THE END

tl;dr Orpheus was kind of clingy, yes.

About love, I think it does exist but just about all people are selfish and screw it up in some way. So I guess I kind of think both are true?

(sorry, just got over being sick with swine flu and so my mind isn't in the best form at the moment)
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Posted 24 September 2009 - 04:04 AM

View PostKirel, on 23 September 2009 - 11:43 PM, said:

Whether or not love exists is an entirely different question from whether or not real romance exists.

Love in general is very real, very important, and so much bigger than romance.

Whether or not "true love" as romance exists is up for debate. I tend to lean towards the idea that it does, but not for everyone, and it's built on a solid friendship more than mutual adoration. I don't believe in the one true love concept, or the idea that everyone has a destiny-approved mate, or that there are people who are not whole people until they meet their true love.

For the first time I actually agree with you on something.
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Posted 24 September 2009 - 01:30 PM

Saying that "'love' is a combination of herding instinct, peer pressure, need for security and good old-fashioned lust" is like saying that "what people call 'frostbite' is a combination of pain, necrosis, lack of sensation and good old-fashioned cold." Okay, but it will still freeze your toes off.

@Arien: Best summary of the Orpheus myth ever.
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