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Posted 15 June 2004 - 12:20 AM

QUOTE (Little princess @ Jun 15 2004, 12:14 AM)
Looks like it was Janey that said it...but...

He who forgets history is doomed to repeat it.

or something like that.

I always liked, "History is written by the victors." Not sure who actually said it, but it's a fantastic truth and also part of the reason we don't learn from our mistakes.

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 12:21 AM

Hi LP and Supes. happy.gif

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 12:26 AM

Something strange and weird Supes.

As I was writing that bit about repeating history, I was asking myself why I love history so much, and that actual phrase 'History is written by the victors' came into my mind.
It's true of course, for a time, then the losers can, in safety give their version.
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Posted 15 June 2004 - 12:32 AM

Are you sure? Usually, by then, even the losers have begun to forget how things happened. Our memories are subject to memetic subjugation just as most other thoughts. Therefore, even when both sides can safely be told, things are out of proportion. Especially since, even if they should resist the newly written history, their ideas become scewed in their favor. In the end neither side is really close enough to unbiased to be considered an accurate depiction of the events, right? huh.gif I'm not sure if that made much sense. I'm doing some major multitasking, so this may be completely incoherent.
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Posted 15 June 2004 - 12:41 AM

OOOOH Mist...darling.
"memetic subjugation"!!!!! (wossat?)

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 12:48 AM

Memetic subjugation is just when something is subjugated by memes. Erm... I'm not sure how to explain...It's basically the reason why you will hear something (like "oompa loompas are cold"), and then, weeks later, you'll have this epiphany, this revelation, and it'll be that oompa loompas are cold. You think you came up with it on your own, but it's been in your subconscious the whole time.

Kind of...

I'm terrible at explaining things, sorry. sad.gif

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Basically, that the people will hear the victor's story so much that they'll begin to believe it was my point. You're right with the written documentation and the like, though. I completely overlooked that. That would be enough to balance it out, hopefully. My mistake. happy.gif

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 01:12 AM

Misty..

You not good at explaining things?

Come on...it was as clear as mud.

What was that bit about the oompa loompas again?

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 01:17 AM

The oompa loompas didn't help? sad.gif

Basically, you'll hear something, and then you'll think you came up with it. Memetics is the theory that ideas are like virii or parasites and that humans are simply a means of broadcasting those ideas, that people don't really have original thoughts. They merely recycle things they've heard out of their subconscious and think that it's original.

Memetic subjugation would be where outside ideas influence your current ideas and change them from how they originally are.

It's the reason for the prayer towers in India. It's so they can broadcast the religious beliefs and ideas as widely as possible. I doubt if they built them based on that, though. They merely found it was most effective in getting the concepts through to people if they preached or whatever from towers.

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 04:18 AM

I remember reading an article awhile back that the simple act of remembering something will alter the memory, as it changes the chemical structure relating to its storage. Hence, if you want to recall something in perfect detail, you can't remember it.
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Posted 15 June 2004 - 07:41 AM

Well, that's explains why I can only remember what one persons pair of breasts look like properly....

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 12:53 PM

Trust Chyld to lower the tone! Memetics is something I haven't heard about but can see the point. As we were originally discussing wars how about "old men start wars, young men die in them". It's a quote der Fadda and I saw recently but being aged we can't remember where!

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 02:31 PM

QUOTE (der Mudda @ Jun 15 2004, 06:53 PM)
Trust Chyld to lower the tone!

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 04:47 PM

I think I get where you're going with the memetics thing...only on more of a comic scale. I keep thinking of the bad guy who will hear one of his minions plans, dismiss it as crap, then say something like "I have a brilliant idea!", then say the exact same thing the minion did.

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Now, what's this about me saying something? You guys lost me there...
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Posted 15 June 2004 - 05:28 PM

QUOTE
Basically, you'll hear something, and then you'll think you came up with it.

Memetic subjugation....
Oo! there's words for it! whenever I come up with an idea, my thought process is something like this:
1. Hey, that's a really cool idea!
2. Wait a minute....I'm not unintentionally copying this from someone, am I?
3. AAAGGGHHH!!!!! ph34r.gif

So I guess I'm memetic subjugatophobic....

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 05:32 PM

Haha! See? Mudda and Janey actually say they understood where I was going! I wasn't as incoherent as I thought. laugh.gif I shall now go and become a teacher.

That's really interesting, Sime. I now have something else to research. Thanks. happy.gif

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