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If DeFoe had (practically) taken over Orzechowski then did DaCabe have sex with Orzechowski or with DeFoe? Or was it a threesome?
Also, is it DaCabe's hand (i.e. the hand of the New Prince) we see coming out of the box in 7DAS? Or did DeFoe transfer his mind to the box?
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Posted 26 July 2009 - 05:24 AM
"I felt insulted until I realized that the people trying to mock me were the same intellectual titans who claimed that people would be thrown out of skyscrapers and feudalism would be re-institutionalized if service cartels don't keep getting political favors and regulations are cut down to only a few thousand pages worth, that being able to take a walk in the park is worth driving your nation's economy into the ground, that sexual orientation is a choice that can be changed at a whim, that problems caused by having institutions can be solved by introducing more institutions or strengthening the existing ones that are causing the problems, and many more profound pearls of wisdom. I no longer feel insulted because I now feel grateful for being alive and witnessing such deep conclusions from my fellows."
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Posted 26 July 2009 - 06:15 AM
According to the SE, yes, Dacabe bonked DeFoe when he thought he was bonking Janine.
The hand in the coffin, well, Yahtzee basically said it was just a bit of a mindfuckery into which we shouldn't read much.
The hand in the coffin, well, Yahtzee basically said it was just a bit of a mindfuckery into which we shouldn't read much.
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Posted 26 July 2009 - 07:03 AM
Well he did mention something about a new game...
"I felt insulted until I realized that the people trying to mock me were the same intellectual titans who claimed that people would be thrown out of skyscrapers and feudalism would be re-institutionalized if service cartels don't keep getting political favors and regulations are cut down to only a few thousand pages worth, that being able to take a walk in the park is worth driving your nation's economy into the ground, that sexual orientation is a choice that can be changed at a whim, that problems caused by having institutions can be solved by introducing more institutions or strengthening the existing ones that are causing the problems, and many more profound pearls of wisdom. I no longer feel insulted because I now feel grateful for being alive and witnessing such deep conclusions from my fellows."
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Posted 26 July 2009 - 11:29 AM
I just finished playing all the games with the commentary. Except Trilby's Notes because as it won't let me kill Trilby at the end because the game likes balls or something. Though it's not a problem because I already know the ending. From all the crap I just revisited in the past two days, I have noticed:
1. Chzo is unable to survive in the place of Technology, being a creature from the Realm of Magic.
2. Creatures from the Realm of Technology cannot survive in the Realm of Magic either. This is why the only creatures that are permanently placed into the Realm of Magic end up dead or are dead to begin with.
3. Creatures from the Realm of Magic must be summoned for them to temporarily exist in the Realm of Technology.
4. Creatures from the Realm of Technology can only venture into the Realm of Magic when incredibly stressed. Unless they're dead, of course.
5. The Bridge is a summoning ritual that works both ways thus it's only purpose is to have a creature from either side temporarily on the other side.
6. Chzo doesn't use the Bridge to cross over into the Realm of Technology. He obviously uses it to temporarily place DaCabe into the realm of Magic so he isn't blasted apart by the nuke.
7. The reason why Cabadath was replaced wasn't only because of his attempt to use DeFoe as a sacrificial lamb but because he had some degrees of free will as he was enslaved by Chzo unlike DaCabe who was reborn by Chzo.
The ultimate question is what the purpose of the Bridge is if he only intended to gain a new servant. Then it struck me like a cold showers:
1. Chzo isn't omnipotent in the Realm of Magic as he is but one of many creatures vying for control or survival.
2. The Realm of Magic isn't completely under the influence of these warring creatures which must mean that these creatures aren't truly powerful in the Realm of Magic.
3. The Realm of Technology allows Chzo an upper hand in the conflict as none of the creatures in the Realm of Magic are used to Technology.
4. The purpose of the Bridge is so that Chzo can become a gateway between the Realm of Magic and the Realm of Technology. The fleshy room that supposedly represents the inside of Chzo is in fact an area beyond the Realm of Magic and the Realm of Technology. At the same time and as a result of this, it is the gateway the unites both Realms. Now Chzo has some influence in both Realms.
5. Because of the Bridge, Chzo now controls how much Magic goes into the Realm of Technology and how much Technology goes into the Realm of Magic.
Basically, Chzo had no idea about the Realm of Technology until he was conjured by Cabadath. During which he saw an opportunity to enslave a specimen from the Realm of Technology and use him to fester a plan in order to gain an upper hand in the Realm of Magic. He later disregarded this plan and opted to control both Realms. Unable to outright control both Realms, he settled to influence them. Becoming the middle man between Magic and Technology.
Who or what Somerset works for is a different question entirely.
1. Chzo is unable to survive in the place of Technology, being a creature from the Realm of Magic.
2. Creatures from the Realm of Technology cannot survive in the Realm of Magic either. This is why the only creatures that are permanently placed into the Realm of Magic end up dead or are dead to begin with.
3. Creatures from the Realm of Magic must be summoned for them to temporarily exist in the Realm of Technology.
4. Creatures from the Realm of Technology can only venture into the Realm of Magic when incredibly stressed. Unless they're dead, of course.
5. The Bridge is a summoning ritual that works both ways thus it's only purpose is to have a creature from either side temporarily on the other side.
6. Chzo doesn't use the Bridge to cross over into the Realm of Technology. He obviously uses it to temporarily place DaCabe into the realm of Magic so he isn't blasted apart by the nuke.
7. The reason why Cabadath was replaced wasn't only because of his attempt to use DeFoe as a sacrificial lamb but because he had some degrees of free will as he was enslaved by Chzo unlike DaCabe who was reborn by Chzo.
The ultimate question is what the purpose of the Bridge is if he only intended to gain a new servant. Then it struck me like a cold showers:
1. Chzo isn't omnipotent in the Realm of Magic as he is but one of many creatures vying for control or survival.
2. The Realm of Magic isn't completely under the influence of these warring creatures which must mean that these creatures aren't truly powerful in the Realm of Magic.
3. The Realm of Technology allows Chzo an upper hand in the conflict as none of the creatures in the Realm of Magic are used to Technology.
4. The purpose of the Bridge is so that Chzo can become a gateway between the Realm of Magic and the Realm of Technology. The fleshy room that supposedly represents the inside of Chzo is in fact an area beyond the Realm of Magic and the Realm of Technology. At the same time and as a result of this, it is the gateway the unites both Realms. Now Chzo has some influence in both Realms.
5. Because of the Bridge, Chzo now controls how much Magic goes into the Realm of Technology and how much Technology goes into the Realm of Magic.
Basically, Chzo had no idea about the Realm of Technology until he was conjured by Cabadath. During which he saw an opportunity to enslave a specimen from the Realm of Technology and use him to fester a plan in order to gain an upper hand in the Realm of Magic. He later disregarded this plan and opted to control both Realms. Unable to outright control both Realms, he settled to influence them. Becoming the middle man between Magic and Technology.
Who or what Somerset works for is a different question entirely.
"I felt insulted until I realized that the people trying to mock me were the same intellectual titans who claimed that people would be thrown out of skyscrapers and feudalism would be re-institutionalized if service cartels don't keep getting political favors and regulations are cut down to only a few thousand pages worth, that being able to take a walk in the park is worth driving your nation's economy into the ground, that sexual orientation is a choice that can be changed at a whim, that problems caused by having institutions can be solved by introducing more institutions or strengthening the existing ones that are causing the problems, and many more profound pearls of wisdom. I no longer feel insulted because I now feel grateful for being alive and witnessing such deep conclusions from my fellows."
-Jimmy McTavern, 1938.
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Posted 26 July 2009 - 02:56 PM
In TN did you try to STAND, MOVE or anything before typing in DIE? And did you type in DIE when he says that only the will to live is what keeps him alive?
In the Expedition short story (see Features page) a platoon of soldiers go to the magical realm to blow up some shit so it's not as simple as members of this realm are unable to survive in the other. Most of the inhabitants of the magical realm are not creatures comprising of magic (they just have a strong magical affinity, while their physical build is pretty weak), but Chzo IS made of magic. And indeed, he's not a god in the magical realm, but he does have godlike powers, being omniscient and all. I also don't think that he ever wanted to be in control of the realm of technology (again, he has seen the timeline), he just knew that the opportunity to fuck over a bunch of red-hooded idiots and meanwhile gain some profit would arise.
In the Expedition short story (see Features page) a platoon of soldiers go to the magical realm to blow up some shit so it's not as simple as members of this realm are unable to survive in the other. Most of the inhabitants of the magical realm are not creatures comprising of magic (they just have a strong magical affinity, while their physical build is pretty weak), but Chzo IS made of magic. And indeed, he's not a god in the magical realm, but he does have godlike powers, being omniscient and all. I also don't think that he ever wanted to be in control of the realm of technology (again, he has seen the timeline), he just knew that the opportunity to fuck over a bunch of red-hooded idiots and meanwhile gain some profit would arise.
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Posted 27 July 2009 - 02:27 AM
David-kyo, on 27 July 2009 - 05:56 AM, said:
In TN did you try to STAND, MOVE or anything before typing in DIE? And did you type in DIE when he says that only the will to live is what keeps him alive?
Of course. Nothing. Must be a glitch.
David-kyo, on 27 July 2009 - 05:56 AM, said:
In the Expedition short story (see Features page) a platoon of soldiers go to the magical realm to blow up some shit so it's not as simple as members of this realm are unable to survive in the other. Most of the inhabitants of the magical realm are not creatures comprising of magic (they just have a strong magical affinity, while their physical build is pretty weak), but Chzo IS made of magic. And indeed, he's not a god in the magical realm, but he does have godlike powers, being omniscient and all. I also don't think that he ever wanted to be in control of the realm of technology (again, he has seen the timeline), he just knew that the opportunity to fuck over a bunch of red-hooded idiots and meanwhile gain some profit would arise.
My point exactly. Though Chzo obviously isn't omniscient in the Realm of Magic as he hasn't found a way to gain an upper hand in the Realm of Magic. I think my theory is best. Rather than be nothing in the Realm of Technology and a small player in the Realm of Magic, he uses the Bridge to create a world where he has a lot of influence which he uses to exert influence in both Realms. A new Realm to coincide with the new Prince. And since DaCabe had a major hand in creating the new Realm, he could be used by Chzo to assert influence on both Realms. Sort of like an enforcer for the mob.
And the only reason why he allowed Somerset to kill Trilby is because he was asleep and DaCabe was away. So Chzo obviously isn't omnipotent in the new Realm he created so he would definitely need a trustworthy Prince.
"I felt insulted until I realized that the people trying to mock me were the same intellectual titans who claimed that people would be thrown out of skyscrapers and feudalism would be re-institutionalized if service cartels don't keep getting political favors and regulations are cut down to only a few thousand pages worth, that being able to take a walk in the park is worth driving your nation's economy into the ground, that sexual orientation is a choice that can be changed at a whim, that problems caused by having institutions can be solved by introducing more institutions or strengthening the existing ones that are causing the problems, and many more profound pearls of wisdom. I no longer feel insulted because I now feel grateful for being alive and witnessing such deep conclusions from my fellows."
-Jimmy McTavern, 1938.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 06:56 PM
It might also be possible that, since Somerset had killed himself with Frehorn's blade, he was able to get out of chzo's jurisdiction? Avatar of destiny and all that?
Also, I like to think Chzo is indeed omnipotent but doesn't want to completely take over the realm of magic: a whole world of mindless sycophants probably does get boring after a while, whereas having a bunch of guys cowering in the fear of armageddon in your back yard might provide sufficient amusement. Without "good", how do you recognize "evil", etc. etc. Maybe it matters to him, his mind would be impossible to perceive. To mortals he appears fickle.
Been a while since I played the SE-s so I'm just brainstorming here, I could be totally wrong.
Also, I like to think Chzo is indeed omnipotent but doesn't want to completely take over the realm of magic: a whole world of mindless sycophants probably does get boring after a while, whereas having a bunch of guys cowering in the fear of armageddon in your back yard might provide sufficient amusement. Without "good", how do you recognize "evil", etc. etc. Maybe it matters to him, his mind would be impossible to perceive. To mortals he appears fickle.
Been a while since I played the SE-s so I'm just brainstorming here, I could be totally wrong.
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Posted 29 July 2009 - 05:23 AM
David-kyo, on 29 July 2009 - 09:56 AM, said:
It might also be possible that, since Somerset had killed himself with Frehorn's blade, he was able to get out of chzo's jurisdiction? Avatar of destiny and all that?
"I felt insulted until I realized that the people trying to mock me were the same intellectual titans who claimed that people would be thrown out of skyscrapers and feudalism would be re-institutionalized if service cartels don't keep getting political favors and regulations are cut down to only a few thousand pages worth, that being able to take a walk in the park is worth driving your nation's economy into the ground, that sexual orientation is a choice that can be changed at a whim, that problems caused by having institutions can be solved by introducing more institutions or strengthening the existing ones that are causing the problems, and many more profound pearls of wisdom. I no longer feel insulted because I now feel grateful for being alive and witnessing such deep conclusions from my fellows."
-Jimmy McTavern, 1938.
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