Atlas Shrugged, again Discuss
Posted 27 April 2009 - 06:09 PM
I know lots of people here think Ayn Rand is total douche bag. But that article is kind of interesting. Basically, people are seeing parallels between the book and the current economic situation.
Any thoughts on it?
Posted 27 April 2009 - 10:40 PM
And I think I might have posted an article recently wherein some guy from the Rand institute already. Basically, they blame everything on over regulation, and will quickly shut up when the new government regulations bring hte economy back up as they are begining to do.
Posted 28 April 2009 - 12:56 AM
Funny thing is, it's deregulation on lending institutions that caused the lending crisis in the first place; at least Rand had some argument when she said it was government experimentation with national interest rates that caused the Depression she lamented. this time it was the banks all on their own. Yet conservatives claim that it's "liberal economics" that caused the crisis, and blame Obama for not pulling the nation immediately out of it with an expensive war to deal with and a trillion or so in national debt.
I don't believe that there is anything in Atlas Shrugged that even superficially resembles the current state of the American economy. And as much as I have to agree that there are indeed many visionaries in history, and that civilization often leaps forward on the ideas of one man or very few, let's be honest: most of the time, the motor of the world is being fueled by the work of the army of C+ students who do the business of working and earning and spending. You don't need an economist to tell you that Rand's utopia in AS, wherein about 100 people lived in a secret society complete with its own minted money, a central railroad (!) and a copper mine, is absolute insanity. Rand was not an economist, so naturally she can be forgiven for not understanding scale, but my God, most of her readers ought to know better. Atlas Shrugged is a good bit of polemic, but its central message as well as the fiction used to support it are entirely ridiculous.
Posted 28 April 2009 - 02:39 AM
Anyway, I don't think it's really hard to draw "parallels" from any two things. I mean talk to the right people and you'll be convinced we're in the middle of what's described in the book of Revelations. Or that 1984 was actually a book of prophecy, not fiction. Or that the Matrix is real.
Humans aren't capable of performing to Rand's expectations. I'm not for complete and total government control of course - I find that a balance is probably best - but take away regulations and the innate selfishness of humanity will turn everything to crap. But I'm pretty much just echoing Civ here.
Posted 28 April 2009 - 09:55 AM
I find that when I'm having one of those conversations, I am talking to the wrong people.
Posted 28 April 2009 - 11:29 PM
Posted 29 April 2009 - 02:11 AM
Posted 29 April 2009 - 05:31 PM
But as far as the economy goes, sometimes I wonder why we can't just find some kind of incredibly simple fix, since money isn't really real anyway. Like what online games with virtual economies do when they want to fix a screwy virtual economy.
Posted 29 April 2009 - 08:02 PM
Posted 30 April 2009 - 07:49 PM
Posted 03 May 2009 - 03:59 PM
It would. Provided you can remember the relative worth of one good to all the other goods there are and vice versa.
Posted 03 May 2009 - 05:13 PM
Isn't bartering more about personal value? I'm willing to give you X for Y. You really need X, but don't need Y.
Like trading cards.
PM me, we'll talk.
Posted 04 May 2009 - 01:23 AM