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Posted 16 March 2009 - 11:19 PM

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Posted 17 March 2009 - 04:58 AM

QUOTE (barend @ Mar 16 2009, 06:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
THat and him chopping the kidnapper in the head instead of the SAW option.

Yeah, but you get to hear Rorschach wheeze angrily, it's worth it just 'cos of that.

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Posted 22 March 2009 - 08:59 PM

I hate to admit it, but I havent even read the GN for this thing, but I just bought the whole thing on ebay for like 12 dollars, plus a Comedian pin. I am a happy!

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Posted 23 March 2009 - 02:19 AM

In case you didn't see yet, Gunshow ran some hilarious comics about Watchmen too.

Number 1
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Numero Drei
Nombre Quatre
Cinque מספר

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Posted 23 March 2009 - 02:25 AM

No.
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Posted 23 March 2009 - 02:32 AM

Hrm.

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 06:14 PM

Wow. There are no words for this.

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 10:22 PM

Just saw the Watchmen complements "Tales of the Black Freighter" toon and "-Under the Hood" documentary reel.
Although once again the original source material,at least for the Black Freighter,was not exactly extensive (nor did it need to) I was rather decieved to fin myself watching yet another flairy dramatic reenactment of Frank Millerish visual story telling,complete with a talking dead man,decapitated people,but no harming children because that is not acceptable in the American victorian moral paradigm.

Under the hood - supposedely a Watchmen for Dummies style video apparently designed to let people who had not read the comics obtain a better understanding of the characters that did not get enough screentime- offered no consolation.The acting was rather faulty,and they've still managed to not only still bury important data concerning the original costumed group,but to invent plot accesories that had no neccesity of existing in the first place such as NIte Owl harboring romantic intentions about the nIte Spectre
Not mentioning the differing views on WW2 among it's members,The sexual status and roles of Captain Metropolis and HJ(with the exception of a very incredibly tiny reference) are left obscure,making Moloch have public apperances in TV shows,suppressing the apperance of the jerksih black fellow who is always at the newsstand reading the Black Freighter comicbook.
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Posted 26 March 2009 - 12:47 AM

I just read the entire GN in one night. I cant believe how faithful the movie was... I think some of the changes were positive, such as changing the attack to be blamed on Jon rather than on a squid thing. But the little details in the novel really added a lot, such as the fact that Adrian had a beef with Comedian, and that its pretty well infered that Comedian killed Hooded Justice as well as Kennedy. So there's very little sympathy for him. I think the movie mucked up the scene where Comedian meets Silk Specter 2 though, the fact that for a moment he might have been sympathetic as some shred of humanity shown through.

I'm damn glad they left out the killing of Hollis Mason though, that was pretty awful and pointless even for me. The political commentary in watchmen, even in the novel, isnt as prevalent as it was in V. I was really kind of looking for it myself. I guess it was largely tied up in the comedian more so than any societal commentary made through exposition.

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Posted 26 March 2009 - 01:38 AM

El_Gostro, you can't go through life blaming America for everything. Well, you can, but it's pretty cheap. It's European countries that have laws against showing minors in violent situations. Here's my source. I'm citing my source.

When I read it, I didn't pick up on a lot of things people say, like the Comedian killed Hooded Justice, and HJ and Captain Metropolis were gay for each other. Where does it say these things. Did I just read it wrong?
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Posted 26 March 2009 - 08:47 AM

QUOTE (Ninja Duck @ Mar 26 2009, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
El_Gostro, you can't go through life blaming America for everything. Well, you can, but it's pretty cheap.

Agreed,perhaps I too jagged,I meant to attack the moral codes their media seem to try to impose.
I do tend to be rather barbed when analyzing many attitudes and views assumed here in Popular media as well

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It's European countries that have laws against showing minors in violent situations. Here's my source. I'm citing my source.

Interesting I ignored this fact about HL2 as well as the laws enforced in european countries

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When I read it, I didn't pick up on a lot of things people say, like the Comedian killed Hooded Justice, and HJ and Captain Metropolis were gay for each other. Where does it say these things. Did I just read it wrong?


In the "documents" presented at the end of each issue,for example,the "Under the Hood" extracts,Hollis Mason mentions who he thinks/suspects the Hooded Justice may have been when comparing his apperance with that of a german Circus strongman,who also disappears some time afterwards.
When Hooded justice beats the Comedian at the attempted rape incident,the latter mentions realizing physical violence sexually arouses him.
Also in an interview with The original silk spectre she mentions at least two of the team members were homosexual and that they covered for them.This is confirmed in one of her agent's letters mentioning "Nelly (Nelson=Cpt Metropolis) and HJ are behaving and bickering like an old couple and it is becoming increasingly difficult to cover up for them"
In one of Laurie's flashbacks,Nelson apologizes for HJ's absence saying that "He's with the boys,rough stuff going on".


In any event the Watchmen wiki further clarifies this methinks:

http://watchmen.wiki...tain_Metropolis
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Posted 26 March 2009 - 10:11 AM

Sorry for the double post sad.gif

I do find it somewhat confusing that Zack Snyder felt the need to include the Black Freighter story in his vision of the watchmen where the destruction of New York and other cities is caused by a "manhattan reactor".
In the comic it mirrors not only part of Rorscharc's and Ozymandias moral conundrums but also plays an integral part in the plot of the kidnapped geniuses and artists who unknowingly created the Alien Squid farce.


Even if it was included in snippets throughout the movie it would not play an important role or indeed make much sense?
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Posted 26 March 2009 - 01:02 PM

Agreed. The movie as released does not need the Black Freighter stuff at all. The comic book series relies on it as the centre of the Ozymandias story.

It's almost too bad you plowed through it in one night JM; I suspect that it will mean more to you on a second reading. Of course it's true that the film was very faithful to the plot and the visuals. It's too bad however that so much of the story had to be cut, some for time, some apparently because Snyder didn't get it or second-guessed the attention span of his audience.

Anyway I suppose we got our Watchmen movie. When I was in high school and college we talked about how one day some corporation with enough money would finance a Watchmen movie and a Lord of the Rings movie, and how we really hoped they wouldn't fuck em up. I'm pretty happy with the Lord of the Rings series, and that's the one I'd have been more sorry to have seen done poorly. I can't think of any other series we predicted film versions of that haven't already been done (Narnia stuff doesn't count).

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"I had a lot of different ideas. At one point, Luke, Leia and Ben were all going to be little people, and we did screen tests to see if we could do that." -George Lucas, in STAR WARS: the Annotated Screenplays (p197).
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Posted 04 May 2009 - 09:21 AM

I cringed a little the day after release when I went to work and my coworker was going through a MicroCenter flyer. Apparently he found some good prices on Bluetooth Dongles.

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Posted 31 August 2009 - 09:31 PM

I've now seen a great deal of Watchmen errata, the dvds are packed with a lot of interesting stuff. I love how they did Dr. Manhattan by covering him in blue LEDs and letting him act. The number of sets was also really impressive, in fact now that I've seen the production values I like the movie even more. Everything they could have built was built, and they made a responsible use of CGI so the entire film maintained the gritty real tones that were in the comics. For instance, in the jail riot scene, they actually lit a guy on fire and had him run around. The owl ship was also an actual setpiece. The LEDs they used for Manhattan have to be my favorite effect just because of the lighting they give off, again making it look like there really is a blue glowing guy there.

The other thing I have to admit is that the Comedian is a damned skillful performance, which is something I had never really considered before. Its one thing to be cast as a villain, but quite another to be cast as an amoral but fairly real person. I've heard reports that the actor actually had a nervous breakdown, which is understandable, but the guy comes off to me, and hopefully to some others, as not an entirely unsympathetic character. We do see that he cares for people in some fashion, just for whatever reason it comes out in the form of rape and evilness. It's also difficult to portray a character we mainly meet from other peoples memories of him. So, yeah, props to you Mr. Comedian.

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