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ZP - Anti Homosexual Slurs Why the new trend on Zero Punctuation ? 03.04.2009

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 05:01 AM

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I am butthurt. I don't even know what a 'mongie' is supposed to be.


Nice.

And Adam, your idealism isn't so unrealistic. The main too problems are the stupid people who use the insults and the stupid people who play the stereotype. If you can fix those then it's taken care of. Of course, that's a massive global problem, quite often branching from family prejudices and such. I don't think it'll be in our time, to be honest, but a black president is a good start. It'll be even better if he does a good job.

Also, who do you think cops more flak; 'faggots' or 'niggers'?
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Posted 10 March 2009 - 05:50 AM

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The main too problems are the stupid people who use the insults and the stupid people who play the stereotype. If you can fix those then it's taken care of.

You say that right after expressing that it's not an unrealistic expectation. Nice.

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 09:45 AM

Well, the word "if" was used. Similarly, if I am able to radically change the gravitational constant, at least locally, I'd be able to cause the moon to fall upon Canada.
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Posted 10 March 2009 - 03:22 PM

Psst! Aim for Ottawa!
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Posted 10 March 2009 - 03:47 PM

Hey, look kids, its FRED PHILPS.

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It's like having your own personal /b/, isn't it?


No, I know my limits. I'm sure some old memes won't hurt anyone...much.

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 06:21 PM

Can people stop calling me an idealist now. Suddenly I'm some kind of naive, deluded Dennis Kucinich character just because I said I'm not comfortable with racism.
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Posted 10 March 2009 - 11:08 PM

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Can people stop calling me an idealist now. Suddenly I'm some kind of naive, deluded Dennis Kucinich character just because I said I'm not comfortable with racism.


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Posted 11 March 2009 - 02:45 AM

Shut up, Josh.

I watched your IWBTG playthrough the other day and it was a fun watch shitter than shitting yourself in shit town.

Am I doing it right, guys?

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 03:25 AM

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Can people stop calling me an idealist now. Suddenly I'm some kind of naive, deluded Dennis Kucinich character just because I said I'm not comfortable with racism.

Well hang on AdamM, earlier you invited folks to "mock me all you want for being idealistic." What's it gonna be?

Most of us would like a world where there was less racism. Most of us are not comfortable with racism. We worked pretty hard, some of us, over the last few decades to stop white folks from using the word "nigger" so much, and while we wer at it, we tried to tone down our heterosexual mockery and constitutional discrimination of gay people.

Your idealized future society would be one where anyone could say "nigger" all he wanted, just to show how we'd gotten rid of racism. Or something. Sorry, but the word is charged with racism. It is even racist when black people use it. I am not going to try to argue that because they can use it then we should declare that it is not racist for me to use it. I am not that stupid.

The word is racist. Anyone using it is referencing a terrible very recent and in some places current period of civil disharmony in the United States. If we had a sopciety withou8t that disharmony or that history of it, then the word would probably not exist. That might be your idealized world, but there's zero reason to discuss la-la lands that have nothing in common with the real world. So, meanwhile, black people can say "nigger" if they want, and we white folks cannot. That's because the word references racism, and so therefore, because of that, as a result you see, white folks can't use it to describe people.

Back to yahtzee, he said in that review that "your high-speed webslinging [has to] stay in and mop up the floors while the combat goes out to beat up faggots." I am still tryign to make sense of this in reference to homophobia or even humour. I just don't get it. Is he saying that the combat is macho, or that it owns the other aspect? We know he likes the webslinging, so apparently making it stay in and miss out on the fagbashing is undesirable, but ... ? I'm still confused. Nevertheless I'm sure he meant a joke in there, and not one especially at the expense of the gay community. Extreme references to fagbashing are commonly used ironically and shouldn't alarm anyone. This is in the manner of "blonde walks into bar," etc.

None of thise has much to do with trying to assign a specific and politically neutral definition to every single word in every langauge on Earth, to be used by all peoples equally, but the only way for me to consider that idea I have to continue mocking AdamM. Despite the initial invitation, now he's asking that we stop doing doing that. I especially don't intend to continue, lest he carry on with self-aggrandizing claims such as comparing himself with Dennis Kucinich. If Kucinich is here, can Gandhi be far behind?

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 03:47 AM

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Welcome to the internet, where positive attitudes are for naive idealists and idiotic assholes are heroes.

Oh geez, not that emo-hippy talk again...

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 06:07 AM

QUOTE (Spann @ Mar 11 2009, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Shut up, Josh.

I watched your IWBTG playthrough the other day and it was a fun watch shitter than shitting yourself in shit town.

Am I doing it right, guys?

There's one every few threads...
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Posted 11 March 2009 - 07:12 AM

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Most of us would like a world where there was less racism. Most of us are not comfortable with racism.


Most of us on the forum, or most of us in the West/World/Whatever?

Cause, in general, there is alot of people in favour of racism around, otherwise it wouldn't be such a problem. Though, generally they'd not admit it...they're not racist, they just hate blacks because everyone knows they are more likely to be criminals, Jews cause they own everything, Irish cause they are terrorists, Muslims (which is apparently a race) cause they are terrorists x 9000 and Inuits cause they are in league with the crab people.
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Posted 11 March 2009 - 10:17 AM

God, I hate intolerant and hateful people. I HATE THEM SO MUCH

Spann, glad you didn't enjoy it!

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 11:37 AM

Yeah, I fucking hated every moment.

I was glad when all the videos finished.
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Posted 11 March 2009 - 05:07 PM

Yes, civilian, I said I was "being idealistic", on that one point only. I am not an 'idealist'. You have pinned that term on me and it has connotations that I do not relate to. For example, I would describe your views on race issues as 'pessimistic', yet I would not describe you as a 'pessimist', unless I was exaggerating for comic or rhetoric effect. Or is that what you're doing?

Granted, my understanding of the American political sphere is somewhat limited, but I understood Kucinich to be a barely respected figure. However since you're mentioning him in the same sentence as Ghandi I'll assume some people do take him seriously and retract my earlier comparison.

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Your idealized future society would be one where anyone could say "nigger" all he wanted, just to show how we'd gotten rid of racism. Or something.


Are you listening to what I'm saying? Go back and read my posts again, because you have totally the wrong idea.

Now, you've stated the word is charged with racism. You've said it is racist no matter what the colour of the speaker is. And yet:

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black people can say "nigger" if they want, and we white folks cannot. That's because the word references racism, and so therefore, because of that, as a result you see, white folks can't use it to describe people.


You're going to have to repeat that last part, because I didn't quite understand it. The conclusion I'm getting is that from your point of view, white dudes can't use the word and black dudes can because it is racist? Does that make sense to anyone else, because it doesn't to me.
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