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Posted 15 April 2009 - 04:08 AM

I'm trying to do the actual Snake Logan part of this history, but its just too goddamned funny...

prime examples are the islam thread which I think is without a doubt the best thread on the forums: http://www.chefelf.c...?showtopic=7053

also, the 9/11 denial thread that turned into a world war 2 denial
http://www.chefelf.c...?showtopic=7096

those are the two big ones that will provide the framework for the next part of the Great Homicest article

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I don't know about you but I have never advocated that homosexuals, for any reason, be cut out of their mother's womb and thrown into a bin.
- Deucaon toes a hard line on gay fetus rights.
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Posted 16 April 2009 - 03:31 PM

Reading through this since the last time, I've been around. Spot on.
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Posted 16 April 2009 - 07:41 PM

thank ye, messieur Reiner! It appears I'll be working alone now, but I'm quite happy wqith that. Now that I control the past, I control the future!

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 01:53 AM

alright now I got all my links organized, next post will be the writing of the actual article

prime examples are the islam thread which I think is without a doubt the best thread on the forums: http://www.chefelf.c...?showtopic=7053

also, the 9/11 denial thread that turned into a world war 2 denial
http://www.chefelf.c...?showtopic=7096

the thread that brought us Homicest.
http://www.chefelf.c...h...c=7009&st=0

Snake's first skirmish is with Spoon Poetic. Oddly enough, his first and last are both against her.
http://www.chefelf.c...h...952&st=5430

snake looks for symbolism in starwars, echoes of Hanny.
http://www.chefelf.c...h...ic=6964&hl=

snake, in his early days, showed a marked, if overly aggressive, anti-americanism. Anyi American sentiment might have been in vogue at the time, even among Americans, but he took it further, comparing Americans to cattle, insulting the national intelligence, then later moved on to say that all people are cattle

got his start in the fr forums,. but didnt make a big deal of his arrival either there or on the forums at large. he did however suggest segregating fr into pro and anti yahtzee for some reason...

made a curious argument for torture here in david hicks thread
http://www.chefelf.c...h...ic=6479&hl=

interesting ideas about unemploytment and first known clash with Civ
http://www.chefelf.c...h...ic=6479&hl=

"An aborted fetus cannot serve their country. Unless of course they are turned into stimcells. But ask yourselves, who among you would switch places with an aborted fetus, soon to be stimcells? I for one am happy that I wasn’t aborted. "

website reviewed. this comes up later during Deuacons reign
http://www.chefelf.c...h...ic=7042&hl=

islamofascism lolwut
http://www.chefelf.c...h...ic=7110&hl=

last known post
http://www.chefelf.c...mp;#entry183371

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 06:09 PM

QUOTE (J m HofMarN @ Apr 15 2009, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


Let me get this straight: You are for the US putting an embargo on Japan because it invaded China and killed some 1,000,000 people in the process yet you aren't against the US sending military aid to the USSR even though it invaded 5 countries and killed some 10,000,000?

Explain to me your bizarre logic.
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Posted 22 April 2009 - 09:46 PM

Simple, we needed to beat the Nazis, and Russia was the mainstay of that effort. Welcome back, and try to keep the debatery in the debate club.

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Post icon  Posted 07 May 2009 - 04:22 PM

It took me 4 long years to track down the mysterious HANNIBAL, but after much detective work, I finally did,
and I managed to procure the following interview. The man, the myth, the legend, Hannibal...

I found him living on Pitcairn Island, halfway between New Zealand and the Americas, the Island settled by the Mutineers
of The Bounty...


So where have you been all these years?

H: I have been travelling, and writing, not much time for forums these days.

Can you tell us your real name?

H: To do so would jeopardize your life.

What exactly do you do for a living, or can you tell us? What are you working on?

H: I have travelled far and wide, and I have been studying a dimension of life that is on the forefront of the human
psycho-technological frontier. I have written a book about it, but I decline to go any further, as I sense that this
interview is only about "Hannibal" the internet forum personality.

Have you ever met George Lucas?

H: Yes. I was in California during a 'study-visit' and I had attended a technology seminar, and apparently this had something
to do with some subsidiary of Lucasfilm or something, and the Fat Man was there, and he was walking down the hall with
this entourage, and my chance to save all humanity was staring at me in the face, but when I approached him, he was talking
with some sort of seceratary, and he turned off to the side and said to her, "Can you find me some pretzels...I need some
salty snack...and a juice box..." He was a 5 foot 10 inch, 300 pound overgrown child. I mean, should one really try to
kill a child? I felt sorry for him, and this was the period before he had the bags under his eyes surgically removed...
it was pathetic...really sad...he smelled like Brut aftershave and BubbleYum.

It has been introduced that you might be Jewish, or were offended about being called a Jew, what is the truth?

H: I was never offended about being called a Jew, as I am Albanian, it has always been speculated that it is most likely
somewhere in my family is Jewish blood. People in forums like to manipulate facts...who would know...better than I?

Why the name HANNIBAL?

H:Ah, yes, well, Hannibal was chosen because of both the movie character, and the anecdote about the historical figure,
about the 'fear of Hannibal' and "Hannibal is at the Gate." I wanted to be "Hannibal" at the Gate of Skywalker Ranch,
and my original intention was not to insult fans, but turn them all against their God. After all Hannibal, is essentially
originated from the name Baal. George Lucas was their God, and I their Devil. Even more fitting was my absolute intolerance
for the rudeness and arrogance of people in the ChefElf forum. They would trash anyone who disagreed with them, yet
turned me into the troll that I would become.

They turned you into a Troll?

H:Yes, ultimately, my firsts posts were sincere and intelligent, but as people took to insulting whoever they didn't like
and assuming and presuming all sorts of inaccurate things, I had the time, and I felt like doing it at the time. I went
totally absurd about it, and the funny thing is, as arrogant people do, they take it all seriously, and as many did not
at first, none of them questioned, "can this guy actually be taking this seriously?" Thier absolute denial of their own
arrogance could be the only reason behind this, how can you really take seriously all the utterly insane posts, and
interact as if you were taking on some adversary? They felt good about themselves, defending their faiths. That is the
absurdity of the Hannibal Affair. I had no connection to any of these people, I had no interest in making any connection
with any of these people and assumed the forum would have died out years ago, the fact that these people are still on their
wasting their lives is amazing.


Do you really believe George Lucas is a nazi?

H: Not really, but I think deep down he is a deeply disturbed, emotionally retarded racist who has quite likely inherited
the genes of Heinrich Himmler...

Does that mean you think he's related?

H: No, you see its a part of the human condition, some people call it and believe in 'reincarnation,' I do not, I just
simply believe that certain personality types re-occur to people generations later. Lucas is a case of arrogance of the
highest degree, and what changed him from becoming the leader of a nefarious death squad is sheer greed, and chocolate
milkshakes.

Why post all the nazi stuff?

H: In reality, Star Wars is fascist, but not of the National Socialist variety. It may appeal to Nazis, but ultimately,
it is more specifically an American variety of fascism. It isn't strictly 'right wing' or 'left wing' but a kind of
mutation of the two, where this Wagnerian Operatic aesthetic combined with the most juvenile of adolescent homoerotic
fantasies produces the sort of person who reads 900 page fantasy novels, takes Dungeons and Dragons seriously, and
endlessly obsesses with Star Wars, and this has a kind of effect...when this person goes out into the world, they are
incapable of separating fantasy with reality, they are ultimately racists deep down, and will vote for tyrannical policies,
regardless of which side of the democratic fence they are fanatically on. They will defend militancy, and take this sort
of stand on issues that is patently "American," thoughtless, mindless, juvenile. They believe that Third World countries
are full of festering diseases, mutated people who want to destroy the world, and that they are populated by 'sub-races'
of almost non-human people who reside on lands which are the origins of Ancient races like Atlantis and Lemuria, and so
forth, and that if these 'third world people' are ever exterminated, or suffer, it is no consequence to them.
These people waver from Christian fanaticism to a kind of neopagan fanaticism, and often dream of being at the top of some
futuristic feudal society. They must be stopped.

So what do you think of the last Indiana Jones Film, where the villains are the Russians?

H: What else could I think, George Lucas has continued his inane propaganda and I don't believe he realizes how bad his
movies are getting, I think he still believes he is some kind of genius.

Will you be taking on the New Star Trek?

H: I leave that to the next generation of Hannibals. I do hope that people will assume the 'nature' of Hannibal again for
the new Star Trek, but I am not so sure people are really quite grasping what "Hannibal" really was.

What do you mean?

H: "Hannibal" wasn't just a troll, he was a kind of gadfly, and the irony was the denial of people in recognizing him.
Because of their pompous, and distorted lives spent online, typing away in forums for their own amusement, they got lost
in their, it became a kind of second home, or a real home, they feel obligated to keep up, it becomes both a kind of
personal interactive journal of theirs as well as how they 'get attention' in life. The amount of energy spent in Chefelf
by many of the members is astounding, they write lengthy 'fiction' stories about things that 'happen' in the forum, they spend
hours and hours creating artwork, and writing about the people in the forum, and they've done it for years. The sheer
amount of time and energy this takes is tremendously wasting. They are still there, still posting, and so bored they've
decided to write a 'history' of something that nobody cares about. Something I would have imagined would have all been
deleted as people grew up, and moved on in their lives, the necessity of some website outside of your vocation, being a
ridiculous added expense, and a waste of time. No. They have continued on for some 6 or 7 years with the same habits. Its
odd, and sad. "Hannibal" was a personality that came to their attention, completely outside their realm of experience,
he could only be one thing to them, "a troll." Yes, I was trying to get their attention, and yes, I did have fun doing it,
but ultimately, they were victims of an experiment. But I didn't target any specific individual. I didn't really attack
anyone, but as in any corner of life, the 'attackers' always blame the victims, always claim they were attacked, when what
i was attacking was their denial, their shameful beliefs, their ignorance, their blindness, their stupidity. Not them.
I attacked George Lucas, George Bush, etc etc. They assumed I was right wing, they assumed I was left wing, every post
another ridiculous assumption, never questioning the real motivations, never investigating the name I chose, or the clues
I left throughout the posts...every thread I led people to various sites for reasons beyond 'George Lucas is a racist' and
other subjects. I left clues, codes, and all sorts of things in posts and threads, to explain both what I was doing and why
and even at times how to contact me outside the forum, what I did for a living, what other forums I posted in, articles
that I had in fact written, not under the name "Hannibal" of course... There was a lot of weirdness, and ultimately it
was all about the 'times' that were occuring then...

What do you mean by this?

H: Well Star Wars had come out, and seemed to be infering something, and I was telling people that not only was it inferring
something, it just wasn't inferring what these nerds were believing in, 'the Force' and 'Jedis' and all that garbage. IT
was telling us that we were going to War, that we should accept it, that it was lulling us to sleep, giving us a dream to
occupy our precious time so that we do not resist what was going on culturally, this is what Star Wars has been all along,
a fantasy story that is surrogate to real life activities, provides a kind of fake 'spirituality' a fake 'politics' that
we adopt and accept, while America goes off on its own Imperialistic agenda, and the public sleeps. George Bush became
president and the rightwing/leftwing incendiary flame war began, and people were being called traitors left and right,
and nobody but nobody was paying attention.

H:Will you ever return to the Chefelf Forums, say if Lucas comes out with another Star Wars movie?

Probably not, Star Wars isn't taken is seriously anymore as it used to be, when you make really bad propaganda, it gets
boring, there's only one thing worse that bad propaganda by the way...

what's that?

H: Good Propaganda.
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Posted 07 May 2009 - 08:55 PM

Hey Hanni, how's it going? I'm glad you decided to come back and join us in our pompous, and distorted lives spent online, typing away in forums for our own amusement

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Posted 07 May 2009 - 09:05 PM

The irony of a troll coming back to brag about himself and explain how the rest of the forums are delusional is so amazing my mind is utterly boggled. "Will", you're still a consumerist BMW washing machine, though. And please, next time, learn to use white space effectively. Everyone is going to "Too long, didn't read." your nonsense, sir.
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Posted 07 May 2009 - 09:17 PM

Coming soon! Snake Logan interviews Deuacon, and Kurtt Reigo interviews Chris!!!! Exclusive preview:

Snake: So, do you think wolves have gods?
Deuc: Totally, and it would be ignorant if a bunch of losers didnt consider that possibility

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Kurtt: Ummm do you like... youre stuff... on the forums... cuz some people think your trolling?
Chris: *Picture of a trout* Trouts are OK!

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Posted 07 May 2009 - 09:56 PM

Hrm. That Hannibal article was not out of character with what we were saying at the time. The chief complaint against the Hannibal-entity, and I was his strongest supporter (I argued against banning him, although I challenged his claims to novelty or even to relevance), was that he came out of the gate posting dozens of mile-long screeds over a period of three days.

When he slowed down and focused his interests on nerd-battling JM over who had more left-wing street cred, I thought he was perfectly tolerable. And I thought his picture threads, particularly his Wookie-appreciation thread, were hillarious.

The possibly trollish conclusion that folks logging in and posting some observations to a community of strangers must all be immature or lacking lives is yawn-worthy. If you don't like it, stay out of the intertubes. You aren't going to be able to find any new way to put up a cool front or mask self-loathing. God, it's like ***** was saying, guys who are ashamed of their own interests are tedious.
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Posted 07 May 2009 - 10:18 PM

If you recall, I don't think I ever argued in favor of banning, but of creating a subforum exclusively for trolls that they would be isolated to. A "petting asylum" as I termed it.

Now that I read some of the post, it honestly shows some classic troll speak.

"It was all a joke"

extra points must be given for the implication that anyone looking at a website not directly related to what they do for a living must be a loser.

"I wanted to see how people would react"

Because when you do things just to see how people would react to them, it means its, like, for science or something. Like if you shoot a guy just to see how he reacts, you're a scientist and not a murderer. One thing that seems quite signatory of Hanni is the implication that there was a deep, profound message to the posts that none of us were capable of comprehending. Hell, we couldnt comprehend the surface messages, how could we ever look deeper to see the DaHani Code?

Speaking of which, based upon his assurances of a secred codices in his ramblings, I've enslaved Slade.... Ensladed? And had him collect all of Hanni's posts and run them through our Bat Computer. He's currently working on the program. Soon Hannibal's pirate gold will be ours!

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Posted 07 May 2009 - 11:14 PM

A while back I read a bunch of Hannibal's posts and found them very amusing. This latest entry by "WillGraham" was also amusing. It was like a more fun interview with Jean-Paul Sartre.

Good stuff in my opinion.
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Posted 18 November 2009 - 01:33 PM

At one point if I remember, a fellow named Revan 47 invaded the site in the name of Mountain Dew. Terrible times those were...
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Posted 26 November 2009 - 09:26 PM

Well that was an interesting set of catch up reading. I missed the greater part of Hannibal's writings during one of my many and lengthy hiatus' but Civ also made the point why I and probably a good few others didn't really get to into it when we were here. The memories I have of Hannibal's posts were the continued extraordinary length that all of them seemed to have. I was inclined not to read them all. Maybe I missed out?
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