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#1 User is offline   Mike Mac from NYU Icon

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Posted 20 May 2004 - 02:33 PM

Hello, everyone. Long time

I am proud to announce that on Wedsnday May 12 at 2:30 am and 36 seconds [yes i had the time down to a "T"} ................................................................................
..................... a little girl named Siobhan came into our world!!!!!!!!!!!!!! smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif


Mother and child are doing fine , though the father has become a completel babbling incoherent mess since. {although, civilian might say that I was that before the birth, LOL!!!!}

During the actual moment when i saw my daughter come out i was filled with the same thought that all new fathers must think..................................................HOW THE HECK AM I GONNA PAY FOR THIS KID TO GET THROUGH COLLEGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! blink.gif blink.gif blink.gif

But it is truly an amazing experience to behold. Those of you that have been through it know what I am talking about. There are no words to describe it. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif


I have the whole think on tape and put it on my hard drive. i am seriosly considering doing a short film project based on it. Especially since a humorous aspect of the whole birth was that the doctor doing the delivery was German. I swear this guy had one of those Nazi Gestapo type accents. I'm not trying to be stereotypical or anything but you had to have been there. I will see if I can get the MPEG up when I create my website.


Well great to be back on this forum, back to the Star Wars bashing!! The birth of my daughter, Siobhan. Had me thinking, y'know little Siobhan has probably had a better birth scene than luke or Leia will ever have in Episode III. I mean seriously have any of you guys considered these factors:

1. Will Lucas even show the birth?? Are we gonna see Amidala in the midst of actual labor groans.? Will we see the twins emerge? Will Jar Jar Binks be the mid wife? laugh.gif " Or is Lucas gonna go the ole, twin babies magically appear/ off scene route birth route? I fear it is the later.

2. Will Lucas keep true to the story, and make sure that Anakin and the emperor don;t know about the births? or will Lucas destroy that continuity?

3. How is he gonna do this all in one movie I mean let's look at:

4. Will Amidala be preganant at the begining of the movie. Then how does Anakin not know of their births. What ae they gonna do have him be off fighting the clone wars for 9 months. Then he she has her babies and then Anakin just comes back to reuinite with the post natal Amidala? How;s that gonna fly?

5. Is she gonna realize she is preganant DURING the events of the film. So then, what happens, nine months elapses in 95 minutes of screen time? That seems too farfetched?

6. i really hope George Lucas doesn't put some type of sci-fi spin on childbirth in the Star Wars universe. y'know like babies get born by droids in an incubation chamber of midichlorians? Or some seen where Yoda supervises the birth of jedi babies to ensure they are taught in the jedi way from the moment they are born? Y'know junk like that. I mean i hope Amidala just has a normal natural birth.

7. We have never seen one scene between Bail Organa and Amidala/ The same goes for Obi-Wan and the Lars'. Exactly how and when did these people becomes so chummy and close that they would entrust Bail and Owen to take the future of the Jedi knights?



*sigh* What a great promise these PT films had. Lucas messed it all up sad.gif
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Posted 20 May 2004 - 04:11 PM

Hey Mike, welcome back. And welcome to the fold little Siobhan, future prequel-hater and all-around great gal.

I would recommend that you keep your home movies private. Something that happens to new parents is they thing everyone needs to see that (not everyone needs to see that). Add to which private moments should be just that. Third, if you ever become a famous person, folks will start hoarding that sort of thing, and that's juts weird.

On to the fun:

1) I hope not. Believe that the birth onscreen would be too much for words. Seen in order, no-one would be able to understand the over-important close-ups on the babies with "We shall name them Luke and Leia!" And seen out of order, such a portentous annoouncement will seem ridiculous (TPM, R2-D2? Remember?)

2) Guaranteed that Lucas will destroy that continuity, so that he can borrow that sequence from Exodus where Ramses tries to kill the infant Moses.

3-5) Just because Lucas has never done it, no raon time can't pass during the film. Other movies have done this. Also, this 95 minutes you keep throwing out: haven't all the STAR WARS films been at least two hours long? I can't speak for CLONES, but this is true of all the others.

6) I actually think Lucas will not do anything stupid here, and will have a perfectly normal, hman birth off screen.

7) None of this will be adequately resolved.

But hey: Who cares! TROY rocks the house! Check it out!
"I had a lot of different ideas. At one point, Luke, Leia and Ben were all going to be little people, and we did screen tests to see if we could do that." -George Lucas, in STAR WARS: the Annotated Screenplays (p197).
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Posted 20 May 2004 - 05:00 PM

" TROY rocks the house "




Bratt Pit did not fit the role of Achilles. He's a good actor, and I respect him. But was not in the least bit rigged or intimidating.

His muscles also looked a little too big for his body.
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Posted 20 May 2004 - 05:11 PM

Hey welcome back Mike, and congrats. How'd you get the name by the way? Anyway, here's what I heard about the birth that may or may not be true. I heard that the twins are born either on Dagobah or another planet that we haven't seen yet. I heard that Chewbacca is the midwife, believe it or not, and that Amidala dies in childbirth. That's only what I heard, here's what I know.

Amidala will be pregnant in the movie but will hide it from Anakin. Of course this begs the question, shouldn't Jedi be able to sense their babies? But anyway, she is pregnant throughout the movie.
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Posted 20 May 2004 - 07:14 PM

Welcome back, Mike. Congratulations on the little girl. This will be a wonderful new stage of life for you and your wife for sure. Probably best not to show home movies of it though. But anyway, congratulations to you both.

Onto the issue at hand - this is Lucas we're talking about so he is guaranteed to make a mess of it. And if Vwing is right about Amidala dying in childbirth, then he already has - because in Return of the Jedi Leia tells Luke that she remembers her mother. She died say she died when she (Leia) was very young... but I don't think Leia would be able to remember her at all if she died when Leia was a minute old.
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Posted 20 May 2004 - 08:02 PM

Actually, that I can handle, have Leia look at Amidala for like a couple seconds as their eyes meet. After all, all Leia says about her mother is that she has "images, feelings" not actual memories. So have Leia look at her dying, show her as both beautiful and sad, since she was dying there, and just leave it that because of a Force connection or something Leia remembers this moment with Amidala. It's a stretch, but I'll sacrifice that little bit of continuity for a good scene, and I do firmly believe that amidala should die (and not just because she's a bad character).
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Posted 20 May 2004 - 08:56 PM

QUOTE (Mike Mac from NYU @ May 20 2004, 02:33 PM)
I am proud to announce that on Wedsnday May 12 at 2:30 am and 36 seconds [yes i had the time down to a "T"} ................................................................................
..................... a little girl named Siobhan came into our world!!!!!!!!!!!!!! smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif

Congrats Mike!!!!

This is fantastic and I love the name Siobhan - a grand Gaelic name meaning "God is gracious" I think. An Irish form of Jehanne.

Give all our best to mother and duaghter as well. We look forward to Siobhan's thoughts on the chronological trilogy in the coming years. biggrin.gif
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Posted 20 May 2004 - 08:57 PM

"your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough"

congrats by the way...

i think it will be excusable if Anikan finds out he's got a son, as he did seem to be searching for him in ESB. so he probably finds out Amidala is pregnant but, not that it's twins.
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Posted 20 May 2004 - 09:03 PM

QUOTE (Vwing @ May 20 2004, 08:02 PM)
Actually, that I can handle, have Leia look at Amidala for like a couple seconds as their eyes meet. After all, all Leia says about her mother is that she has "images, feelings" not actual memories.

I still have an issue with this. Leia would need to be around 2 maybe 3 years old to really do the OT continuity justice. Any older and she would have more structured memories. Any younger and they really aren't in keeping with what she describes in Jedi.

She needs at least a little time to develop the impression that her mother was "sad" as well as "very beautiful". These are not straight from birth impressions. They are dvelopmental impressions and as such require at least some close time to perpetuate.
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Posted 20 May 2004 - 10:57 PM

My impression of the way she speaks, it's not real personal. It's more like secondhand information.

I know Jedi are special, but geez, a baby remembering its mother right after birth...rriiiiight. I mean, visual skills don't develop for awhile anyway, aside from the fact that you're in a frickin' womb for nine months WITHOUT LIGHT!! I think the only thing one MIGHT remember is there was a big blur of light... hey, maybe Han had something there.. heey... maybe it's foreshadowing.. yeah, that's the ticket.

Sheesh. Just all utter stupidity. I felt that was one of the crappiest, shoe-horned pieces put into ROTJ. There was no precedence for it. Leia never mentioned being adopted to Luke--ever! Lucas...idiot...Lucas...idiot.. say it with me... Lucas.. idiot...
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Posted 20 May 2004 - 10:58 PM

Oh... and congrats Mike. Do you think your kid will remember this? smile.gif
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Posted 21 May 2004 - 12:24 AM

Lucas... idiot .... Lucas... idiot... Lucas... idiot....

You're right, Commoner. That's quite fun.
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Posted 21 May 2004 - 02:00 AM

leah wasn't adopted at all....

her mother found another guy on alderan, died when she was young and raised by a man she believed to be her natural father. It was this man who gave the family royalty status...
having padme a "queen" was pure coincidence mixed in with a complete lack of foresight.

if that's not how it unfolds, then we all suck for having liked any part of this credibility forsaken franchise!!!
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Posted 21 May 2004 - 06:12 AM

That's the way I always figured it - because that's what the story that the original trilogy left us with. Maybe if Lucas re-watched some of his movies, he might pay more attention to these things.

The trouble he is, he never actually watches his old movies properly. Instead of listening to the dialogue, he's too busy inserting new CGI images.
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Posted 21 May 2004 - 10:27 AM

Wow, I forgot how many posts can accumulate so rapidly on this forum. So many people to reply to blink.gif

To civ,

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Hey Mike, welcome back. And welcome to the fold little Siobhan, future prequel-hater and all-around great gal.


Thank you. As soon as she is old enough, Siobhan and her daddy will have a nice couple of evenings watching the Original Trilogy {non SE}. After which i will give her that talk about how a great series was destroyed by its creator George Lucas massive ego.


[QUOTE]I would recommend that you keep your home movies private. Something that happens to new parents is they thing everyone needs to see that (not everyone needs to see that). Add to which private moments should be just that. ]


I never thought i would become one of those morons that is constatntly showing their baby pictures and home videos to every person within reach. Yet some mysterious evil force has taken over my brain and has turned me into one of those raving lunatic. Sorry civ, too late!!!, I just sent the mpeg to about three friends last night!!!!


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Third, if you ever become a famous person, folks will start hoarding that sort of thing, and that's juts weird.[/QUOTE


Very good, point civ. Just think of all those "E True Hollywood Stories". :yuck:


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2) Guaranteed that Lucas will destroy that continuity, so that he can borrow that sequence from Exodus where Ramses tries to kill the infant Moses.


Yeah! Remember the whole immaculate conception thing in Episode I?
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