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Posted 16 February 2009 - 06:58 PM

It's eyeballing you in a loving way, Dotty. The tree in EVIL DEAD is misunderstood. It just wanted what we all want: to plant its seed. You know, put down roots. And you shouldn't be scared of it. Its bark is worse than its bite.

Ok, I'm done.
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Posted 24 March 2009 - 12:53 PM

... *shudder* ...

So, yeah... Knight is writing/directing "The Last Airbender..." Apparently the story of Avatar or some crap... the big surprise is... it is based on an pseudo-anime!!! Dun dun DUUUUUN!!!
"The problem is, you're not a kangaroo... that's a bear... and he's in your pants."
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Posted 24 March 2009 - 12:56 PM

I loved that animated series, it was really good. Live action movie can only turn out ugly though.

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Posted 24 March 2009 - 01:01 PM

I liked Avatar as well. I didn't watch a whole lot of the second season, but what I saw of the first was good.

So true... I am so unexcited by the Dragonball movie... it looks pretty bad.

Also, I die a little inside every time I think of Keanu Reeves as Spike... *die*
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Posted 28 March 2009 - 01:29 AM

It occurs to me that a half decent parody could be made wherein theres some gas released that causes actors to commit career suicide in shite horror films.

"No we cant drive through this forrest, it's.... it's... it's time to have my agent talk about the third underworld movie!"

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 10:55 PM

Ok I've been out of touch for a while, but I"m back and I just had to respond to this, if anyone still cares...

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So There. YES, you DID say that his screenplays cannot be that bad because the films have "good" actors in them...The writing is bad.


I said that his screenplays cannot be that bad because of the actors who took up his projects. Yes I said that...I cannot deny this, but I am wondering why you felt it so important to belabor that point when I once never denied it? I did not say his screenplays were world-beaters, but Shymalan's movies are not the typical over-CGI'd crap hollywood is putting out nowadays...his stories are original whether or not you like the "dialogue" or "writing" or not. People can relate to the dialogue in his movies, I just don't see the "bad writing" or "bad dialogue" viewpoint, I think it's ridiculous. You're just another person who overthinks one aspect of a movie (like acting or dialogue) and anyone who doesn't see your amazing "insight" is apparently below you. Shyamalan's dialogue may be simple or "campy" at times, but I definately don't find it insultingly bad...well maybe in his last two movies, but not prior to that.

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You also said that his movies scared so much by showing so little of the monster, like this is something unique.


I never said this was unique, just something he does well. I'll tell you what is unique though, how many times you put words in my mouth.

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I refer you to THE RING, which a lot of people thought was really scary...Until the very end, you don't see much of anything. Compare with all the dead bodies and ghosts of THE SIXTH SENSE; THE RING shows in fact much less than Shyamalan. And of course THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT, which a lot of people swear to God is scary, showed literally nothing ever.


I like you didn't think THE RING was scary, nor do I know anyone who referred to it as scary, but to every man his own. I never saw THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT, and don't really care to. As far as the THE SIXTH SENSE showing much more than THE RING or THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT? Not really sure I see that one...if you want to just choose ONE or TWO other movies to compare ONE of Shymalan's movies to to show "how much more Shyamalan" shows than other directors, it's a weak argument. I could just as easily pick one or two horror/suspense movie out the great big hat of terrible/mediocre horror/suspense movies to show how Shyamalan shows less...certainly you can do better than that. I find it funny that you chose one of his movies that "arguably" shows more than any other movie he made to make that argument.

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Apart from the slasher films and the gorefests, EVERY successful horror director uses your definition of "very little" to make with the scary. Wes Craven is a master of this. So you can make a big deal about this re: Shyamaln, but he is doing nothing that isn't already common and handled much better by a lot of other flmmakers.


Just don't agree with this statement...Wes Craven shows less? I must admit I'm not a Wes Craven junkie but from what I know about the movies of his that I have seen, that statement's a joke. As far as what Shyamalan does being "handled better by a lot of other filmmakers" I can only think of one other filmmaker where this would be true...the afforementioned Hitchcock. Aside from him, this statement is also ludicrous.

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I am not sure how I could "prove" that the general public is not that impressed with Shyamalan. I am not going to start a survey, but maybe there's one already on the Internet? Perhaps telling you that imdb ratings tend to run fairly high even for the worst films, and that since SIXTH SENSE's 8.2/10 Shyamalan has had a gradual decline in approval from the masses (UNBREAKBALE 7.2; SIGNS 6.9; THE VILLAGE 6.6; LADY IN THE WATER5.9; THE HAPPENING 5.3)? Maybe you won't approve of imdb's public response engine and you prefer metacritic, which is a survey of all professional critical response (THE SIXTH SENSE 64%; UNBREAKBALE 62%; SIGNS 59%; THE VILLAGE 44%; LADY IN THE WATER 36%; THE HAPPENING 34%)?


If you read my previous post on this subject I think I have agreed that his movies have "generally" gotten worse. Why are you again trying to prove a point I've already stated and obviously agree with? I think the issue in question was whether or not people actually like Shyamalan, rather than whether or not his movies have gradually gotten worse.

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I really can't remember the last time that I was scared of a movie, much less one of M. Night's.


The last movie of his that scared me was The Village, that was before I found out the monsters weren't real.

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The problem is that filmakers use these because they THINK they work. So, instead of creating characters that people can identify with and putting these characters in scary situations, they throw in another somber note on the keyboard, and expect people to poop their pants. These elements CAN be used to make something scary, but are not scary in and of themselves.


COULD NOT agree more. I liken this to how many times I have heard a director refer to someone getting physically hurt in a comedy as funny material. That always drives me nuts when I hear that, because it's not just someone getting hurt that's funny...it's the situation, the character of the individual(s) involved, the events leading up to said moment...etc...and it takes time and effort to come up with those situations, or to put the right people in them...so I don't disagree with your argument in this sense...I just don't know how anyone can say Shyamalan doesn't put people (should I say use to put people) in scary situations, or utilize suspense well.

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 12:01 AM

Hoth, you did in fact deny that Shyamalan's screenplays were bad. That's why I chose to "belabor the point." You first said that they couldn't be that bad because the films had good actors in them. Now you seem to be saying that it's nitpicky to focus on little details like writing and dialogue. You also say that his movies are not that bad because they are not "the typical over-CGI'd crap hollywood is putting out nowadays." MOST Hollywood movies are in fact not over-CGI'd crap, so they have that in common with a lot of other crap films as well as some really really excellent ones. In any case, your stratagem is weak: I should mention that it's not a mark in favour of the film you're defending to find the worst thing you can think of and say that it's better than that. For instance I think THE VILLAGE is better than watching my mother have an abortion. I don't think THE VILLAGE is any good.

You did in fact say that Shyamalan's use of "little" to do "a lot" was if not unique then at least noteworthy and special. If you are trying to take that back now, you are welcome to.

I don't understand any of the rest of your post. It sounds like you're saying that you don't think his stuff is any good anymore, and it's unclear at what point you say he turned to shit. However you do seem to say that while you think his stuff is getting progressively worse, he is still the foremost living director, and in fact only one non-living director is any better than he is.

I'm sure I misunderstood that, but it really sounds like you think Shyamalan is the second-greatest horror director, worldwide, of all time. I disagree.

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 04:58 AM

This is so tedious it's almost not worth it at this point, but for "points' sake...hey!!! No pun intended...since you seem to like to quote me without really quoting me (otherwise known as misquoting) I have taken it upon myself to go back through this post and accurately "quote" myself where necessary....

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Hoth, you did in fact deny that Shyamalan's screenplays were bad. That's why I chose to "belabor the point." You first said that they couldn't be that bad because the films had good actors in them.


You're exactly right I did...but the point you "belabored" was that I denied saying that, when I never did. I did deny saying they were good that's true...again my exact words were "I seriously doubt he would have been able to do that if his drafts were really that bad." I admittedly (like you) have never read one, so it is possible that I could be wrong...however the bottom line is here you think the dialogue in his movies is awful, thus the screenplays must be awful. I do not think the dialogue in his movies is awful, so I don't see how his screenplays can be that awful. It is really just a matter of personal opinion so let's just leave it at that...

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You also say that his movies are not that bad because they are not "the typical over-CGI'd crap hollywood is putting out nowadays." MOST Hollywood movies are in fact not over-CGI'd crap, so they have that in common with a lot of other crap films as well as some really really excellent ones.


Yes you would be correct when it comes to the entire film industry as a whole I will give you that. I was actually referring to the big "blockbusters", that seem to garner most of the attention and in which case this is true. Wait, is this clarifying...?

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You did in fact say that Shyamalan's use of "little" to do "a lot" was if not unique then at least noteworthy and special. If you are trying to take that back now, you are welcome to.


I feel the need to accurately quote myself here. What I actually said was "One thing is for sure, you would be hard-pressed to find a director who can scare so much while using so little." I never said he was the first to ever do it, nor the last, nor the greatest of all time...but if you want to take it that way hey, more power to ya'...

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I don't understand any of the rest of your post. It sounds like you're saying that you don't think his stuff is any good anymore, and it's unclear at what point you say he turned to shit. However you do seem to say that while you think his stuff is getting progressively worse, he is still the foremost living director, and in fact only one non-living director is any better than he is.

I'm sure I misunderstood that, but it really sounds like you think Shyamalan is the second-greatest horror director, worldwide, of all time. I disagree.


It's not really unclear where I said he turned to...ummm...shit. Again I will go back to my previous trusty posts and accurately quote myself. What I said was "I agree with most people that Shyamalan's movies have slowly (or quickly depending on your point of view) been taking a dive lately. I however don't agree that it took place before the Village. I do believe that "Signs" was his best movie, followed by the criminally underrated "Unbreakable" and then probably "The Village", which was disappointing but I don't think was nearly as bad as most people think." So there you have it, it's not unclear where I think his movies started to take a dive, all you had to do is actually read my post.

As far as saying he is the "foremost living director" or the "second-greatest horror director of all time"? I couldn't find myself saying that anywhere in my posts, so I can't quote myself there...I probably should have been more clear though as to how bad I think/agree his movies have gotten. LITW and THE HAPPENING are really two of the worst movies I have seen in the last four years or so, so I don't know if I can still say he is great at suspense. Let me just say though that the ability, for my part anyways, I believe is still there...and I hope he gets back to it soon.

let's just leave this as we disagree, this is getting old.



















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Posted 30 April 2009 - 06:41 PM

Hoth. You said that I would not be able to find any opther director who made horror as well as Shyamalan. you said that you yourself couldn't think of a single director apart from Alfred Hitchcock, who is dead.

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As far as what Shyamalan does being "handled better by a lot of other filmmakers" I can only think of one other filmmaker where this would be true...the afforementioned Hitchcock. Aside from him, this statement is also ludicrous.


It is "ludicrous" to say that many directors could handle suspense any better than Shyamalan. In fact you can only think of one Director, the example I suplied, being the dead director Alfred Hitchcock. Conclusion: you declared Shyamalan to be the foremost living director of suspense in the world. I do not use hyperbole here. Those are your words cited above.

On the screenplay thing: the words said by the actors come from the screenplay. I don't need to see the words on paper to know that the screenplays sucked. They sucked. I heard the words. If you're about to suggest that maybe extensive rewrites might have made the dialogue worse than the "probably not that bad" screenplays that attracted the actors, well, that's sure true, yes. Rewrites do happen, and sometimes they make screenplays worse. But we're not talking about a single film here; the dialogue in all of the films is over-expository in a way that would make anyone but Kevin Smith cringe. You want to say that maybe that is all from rewrites, well I apply Occam's Razor. Though in any event the rewrites would still be supervised by head writer Shyamalan anyway, so it's a moot point. His screenplays suck.

The unaddressed point about his screenplays attracting great actors: again, we're talking about Wahlberg and that Zooey chick. And Leguizamo. He's not exactly pulling in Merryl Streep.

The business about how you're so above it and this is all tiring you: I created a thread where I criticized this terrible movie THE HAPPENING. You came in and disagreed with me, saying that Shyamalan was in fact a great director and that none of my points had therefore any validity. You said that his screenplays couldn't be that bad and that anyone would be hard-pressed to find any other director who could scare so much with so little (he uses a lot, and they are common horror tropes; even the worst horror directors use no more nor any less than Shyamalan. I made these points and you agreed with all of them while disagreeing with my conclusion). You may be backpedalling on a lot of your over-the-top claims now, but you did in fact sing Shyamalan's praises quite heavily and frequently throughout this conversation. Any repetition here has derived from you making the same retorts to the same points again and again, while simultaneously claiming not to have made those retorts in the first place.

In short, this is a public forum and of course you're free to say as little or as much as you like, but it's impossible for you to post in a thread you didn't even start with something to the effect of asking me to shut up because you're so so tired of it. I mean, really. Is this your first day on the Internet? You think I haven't seen that "I am so above this" tactic already 100000 times? Haven't you?

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Posted 01 May 2009 - 10:45 PM

I have no idea where you get the "I'm so above this tactic" from...as a matter of fact I don't understand where you get alot of the stuff you do...oh well you win...I'm above this...and as far as the me telling you to basically "shut up because you're so so tired of it"...I don't see where I said that either...I did say "It is really just a matter of personal opinion so let's just leave it at that" and "let's just leave this as we disagree, this is getting old"...nowhere did I ask you to "shut up"...actually what I was asking was to let's just agree that we disagree...I would think most grown adults could understand that concept but apparently not you...oh well you win again...I asked you to "shut up"...happy?

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Hoth. You said that I would not be able to find any opther director who made horror as well as Shyamalan. you said that you yourself couldn't think of a single director apart from Alfred Hitchcock, who is dead.

As far as what Shyamalan does being "handled better by a lot of other filmmakers" I can only think of one other filmmaker where this would be true...the afforementioned Hitchcock. Aside from him, this statement is also ludicrous.


Man talk about hitting a nerve, you just really seem to be annoyed by this idea that someone might actually like Shyamalan's films...I'll repeat myself again, "One thing is for sure, you would be hard-pressed to find a director who can scare so much while using so little." Didn't think I would have to post that three times but hey...what I'm referring to there is a little thing called "suspense". There is a big difference between someone being scared by a monster jumping out of the closet, and a person being scared by a monster NOT jumping out of the closet...this is something I feel Shyamalan does extremely well. Suspense does not necessarily fall into the "horror" category...but as far as suspense goes, as I said before (yawn) I never said he's the first to do it, not the last, nor the greatest to ever do it...but you saying I think he's the greatest "horror" director ever is..I don't know...again you win whatever you say...

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His screenplays suck


No they don't...but again this is a matter of personal taste...which is actually why I said let's just agree to disagree...or as you put it...I told you to shut up...

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You came in and disagreed with me, saying that Shyamalan was in fact a great director and that none of my points had therefore any validity.


Actually saying that I said none of your points had any validity is not true...we both agree that LITW and THE HAPPENING sucked big-time...we also agree that Hitchcock was a great director...so there we do agree on some things!!!

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You may be backpedalling on a lot of your over-the-top claims now, but you did in fact sing Shyamalan's praises quite heavily and frequently throughout this conversation. Any repetition here has derived from you making the same retorts to the same points again and again, while simultaneously claiming not to have made those retorts in the first place.


I'm not backpedalling on anything, as I stated in my last post if I was probably unclear on anything it was how bad I think/agree his movies have gotten (so I guess this would include his abilities as a writer/director have taken a dive as well). So if you want to call me out for being unclear on one point since you obviously have to be told your right then fine I will give you that...yes I have sung his praises throughout my posts...and for good reason...his first few movies, while if not awesome, at least deserved serious consideration. Any repetition here has derived from you looking too deep into, or simply misquoting me, for God knows what reason...and then me feeling the need to "clarify" myself because of it...

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I created a thread where I criticized this terrible movie THE HAPPENING. You came in and disagreed with me


I think this is where the real issue lies here...

You have mentioned a few times throughout this conversation something along the lines of how you have "seen these tactics before 10000 times", or something like that, in referring to my posts. And how your "use to them" and "know the usual retorts", da da da da da...like you feel the need to let me know how smart you are or something. You are correct, you created this thread criticizing a truly awful movie THE HAPPENING (which ironically I totally agree with, for albeit different reasons) and I came in and did not agree with some of your viewpoints concerning a certain director. And ever since my first post this thread has pretty much been nothing but me and you bickering back and forth about our opinions or your take on my opinions or who said what or whaterver...which is exactly why I said let's just "leave this as we disagree"...if you don't want someone to disagree with you, then don't post an open thread where anyone can share there opinions...














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Posted 02 May 2009 - 12:35 AM

Hoth, you can't write a 750-word essay starting with "this is so tedious" and ending with "this is getting old" without being accused of telling the other guy to shut up, or of thinking you are above it. Those barbs are meant to guilt me into dropping it and letting you have the last word, which I might do in your thread, but not in mine. You want clarity, so I offer it: I have quoted you directly when asked to verify my assessments of your comments, and you stand by all quotes while disagreeing that you ever said them. You in fact say now that you never made any claim that it was ludicrous to imagine any living director who compared favorably to Shyamalan, despite now having said that very thing 4 times. In fact when I cited your last comment on that subject, simply to back up the summary that you had essentially made the claim that since all comparison is ludicrous that therefore MKS must be the greatest living suspense director, you ignore the point made and go off about hitting a nerve and some other stuff. What else can I say to that?

Again, yes, suspense is about things NOT jumping out of closets. Agreed. Horror that does not employ this is called "schlock." However, horror employing the suspense technique you praise is standard. Suspense filmmakers emnploy a standard bag of common tropes: limited camera frames, long reaction shots, sound manipulation, music, etc. Shyamalan has stood on those shoulders and he makes due with the same techniques. He is not doing anything special with very little. All anyone liked about THE SIXTH SENSE was the twist at the end; apart from that it was an unremarkable film, esp in the arena of horror. His work has regressed in the popular opinion, critical opinion, and your own opinion since then. I doubt you would be hard-pressed to find another living director with a beter reputation and a better set of talents. You sing his praises using those very words: hard-pressed," and you simultaneously make claim that he is unsurpassed. It is ludicrous to imagine anyone other than Hitchcock. Apparently, and I put this to you gently, you're just not a fan of suspense films, since you imagine that Shyamalan is doing somehting unusual. You apparently enjoy the camera style that Shyamalan borrowed from Taiwanese art director Hsiao-hsien Hou. Because if MKS has anything that can be called a signature, it's his use of camera, which is almost unique in Hollywood, but not original.

I put this to you in this way because you also seem to want to belittle all of Hollywood as producing big-budget stuff that is consistently on-the-nose and obvious, to make the claim that MKS's stuff is special by comparison (for not being full of CGI and explosions). So I gently put it to you as well that you have a negative general opinion of American popular cinema. That's fine; it's not uncommon; many people refuse to watch TV as well because they think it is all laugh tracks and explosions. I just put it to you that you don't really watch a lot of movies, and so you are unaware that Shyamalan's crap is inferior to much of the non-explosive, non-cgi'd mainstream fare out there. I see about a dozen mainstream Hollywood films a year that I really like, and I am ignoring the artier stuff here in favour of the well-budgeted character stories that Hollywood actually puts out at a decent rate (yes, among its brain-numbing action and comedy garbage). If I want an alternative to the CGI and explosions, I have many places to turn before resorting to MKS and his bag of tricks. If you want to create false dichotomy, MKS and Hollywood crap, you'll need to make that to someone with a lower opinion of Hollywood. And to find that person, you will need to fimnd someone who, like you, has an attitude about American culture developed without actually immersing himself in it. I think a lot of it is crap, yes, and a lot of it is great. I come to this assessment after watching a lot of movies. You make the claim that it's all crap, and I suggest this is because you don't really watch very many movies ( I know, I know, where did you say that, then I will quote you, you will ignore the quote and tell me it's tedious).

Agreeing to disagree is boring. Obviously we disagree. You claim that it is ludicrous to imagine any director of suspense better than MKS, apart from Alfred Hitchcock, who is dead, and therefore that MKS is the greatest living director of suspense. I disagree. You claim one would be hard-pressed to find any other director doing "so much with so little" and I disagree, as I think his stuff is pretty common. You claim his screenplays must be ok because they were able to attract Wahlberg of PLANET OF THE APES and ROCKSTAR and Zooey from whatever the heck she's been doing since ALMOST FAMOUS. I disagree on that because his dialogue has too much exposition and reminds me of Kevin Smith. Like you I have seen a lot of movies and I know when I am noticing dialogue and I know when it seems like I am just hearing characters speak. I have never heard any characters speak in a Shyamalan film; it's all just mannered exposition.

Let's focus instead on what we agree on: since his first film, Shyamalan has progressively gotten worse. Critics and the public agree as well, if metacritic and imdb are to be trusted. It is probably NOT ludicrous to imagine another director doing as much with as little, since let's face it, apart from saying it and defending it, you don't really want to associate with that claim. So in fact MKS is just another director out there who made big off a surprise hit (the credit for whose success I give to the "twist," to an unusual camera style, and mainly to Bruce Willis), but since then his work has been repetitive, relying on the same bag of tricks every time. The Twilight Zone twist became such a signature in fact that the big twist in THE HAPPENING was that he revealed everything right at the beginning of the film and there was no more story to reveal after about 30 minutes in. The twist = no twist! He did this same thing in THE VILLAGE and more or less in LADY IN THE WATER, which is he revealed everything right off the start and we had to sit through the rest of the movie just waiting for it to end (and along the way we got Adrian Brody going full retard and Ron Howard's creepy daughter being creepy for no good reason). I think we agree that's pretty stupid. So, high five.

This post has been edited by civilian_number_two: 02 May 2009 - 12:52 AM
Reason for edit:: went in to fix some typos and then added a bunch of stuff. probably more typos too.

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 02:31 PM

I think I've discovered one of the primary failings of this film, and oddly enough it was while I was working on a parody idea in my mind. The idea was this:

The Happening 2: This Time The Plants Are Total Dicks

Int, day time, a house plant shivers in an inexplicable breeze amid Mr. Assfuck's science class.

Lame Science Guy: So you see children, the formation of mountains is something that can never be fully explained, just like why bees disappear, or how human beings came to be. Well, the last one was probably god, but other than that, we can only put forth theories!...

{Mr. Assfuck stares at one of his students, who has now taken off his shoe. He watches in terror as the boy pulls back his foot and then stubs his toe against the leg of his desk}

Timmy! What you're doing has no explanation, we can only speculate, so forth and so on!

Timmy: I cant stop! Argh blargfuck now I'm giving myself a paper cut!

{Cut to the plant, which appears to be snickering somehow}

Now while this would be an awesome premise for a movie on its own, what I noticed was what really made The Happening not at all scary: As soon as the plants do whatever the hell it is they do, people become basically zombies, except rather than eating brains, they just kill themselves in usually uncreative, non elaborate, uninteresting ways. Why do these people not react to what they are doing? I mean, that would kinda make things a little bit more frightening to see some kind of emotion from them. Or, ya know, any response whatever.

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 04:43 AM

http://www.tnr.com/b...c8-cf7e74bcd835

This is a great review of The Happening. Except its not so much a review, as a brutalizing. Still, the movie gets what it deserves.

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