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Posted 09 November 2004 - 08:00 PM

Actually, I have never thought that Ian McDiarmid was Jewish. Never crossed my mind. After all, the emphasis was always on his chin, not his nose smile.gif.

And there is a big difference between depicting a member of the banking clan as a Jew, a, in my opinion, minor offense that has been in Harry Potter and other for the most part good-natured movies, and saying that the entire basis of a film is to promote antisemetic and Nazi values. A big difference. I see the former, and it doesn't bother me because it's minor. But you're right, I don't see the latter. I see the influence that Nazi architecture, film, etc. has had on the design of the movie, but I really don't see any truly antisemetic themes in it. And I don't think I've ever whined about it, but whatever.

And if Star Wars was truly about that, then why make the TF stereotypes of Asians and not Jews? It seems that they are the ones who are the major players in the takeover, not the Banking Clan, and I've never heard a conspiracy about Asian merchants and traders taking over the world.
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Posted 09 November 2004 - 08:35 PM

fist of all... i liked that second last post hannibal... (could be because we're making the same point, i don't know, but it was good).

but any aligation that LOTR is racist is lame...
Tolkien always resented the lack of mytholigy in england...
the greeks and romans had theirs, but he wanted to create one for england... and i think the silmarillion did a good job.

the inclusion of a black american in 'Dungeons and Dragons' was fucking stupid!!! FUCKING STUPID!!!!!!!! it destroyed the atmosphere...
and i'm sure the inclusion of a token wise crackin' south central 'brother' would have been just wonderfull in LOTR...
white guy: thou hast survived the onslaught of fell creatures?
black dude: yeah, mutha fucka i poped a cap in his mah, fuckin ass like a bi-atch!!! and he was like, 'ohhh shi-at!' *strats mimicking hip-hop beats*

just like in wild-wild west... now that's what i call fantasy...

honestly...

and so what, now only blacks and 'asians' are the only two minotities?

well i say fuck that shit!

i'm writing into the makers of the following films for their hate crimes:

Great Expectations for the lack of Arminian women.

HERO for the lack of Dutch soldiers

Terminator 3: Rise of the machines all the cyborgs were IBM compatible... no macs anywhere to be seen...

Crouchinf Tiger Hidden Draggon for the shamfully obvious lack of presence of Romans

CLERKS for its intentional exclusion of tibetans

and finaly...

BACKBEAT, not one member of the beach boys of monkeys to been seen any where....

fuckin' KKK film making shcool... that's were these people came from

LETS JUST FUCKING BOYCOT MOVIES IN GENERAL!!! 'CAUSE NO MATTER WHAT YOU MAKE... SOMEONE WILL BE OFFENDED!!!

THEIR FUCKING MOVIES!!!! NOT U.N. MEETINGS OKAY !!!

DOES EVERYONE FUCKING UNDERSTAND?!?
IS ANYONE LISTENING TO ME...

DO YOU REALLY HAVE TO ANSWER TO EVERY RELIGION, RACE, GENDER, IN IT... IF SO, HOW LONG BEFORE ITS COMPULSORY TO INCLUDE A FUCKING KLINGON EVERYTIME YOU MAKE A FILM?

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uh...


AGHAGHAHGAHGAHGHAGHAHGA!!!
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Posted 09 November 2004 - 08:56 PM

"and i'm sure the inclusion of a token wise crackin' south central 'brother' would have been just wonderfull in LOTR...
white guy: thou hast survived the onslaught of fell creatures?
black dude: yeah, mutha fucka i poped a cap in his mah, fuckin ass like a bi-atch!!! and he was like, 'ohhh shi-at!' *strats mimicking hip-hop beats*

just like in wild-wild west... now that's what i call fantasy...

honestly...

and so what, now only blacks and 'asians' are the only two minotities?

well i say fuck that shit!"


Well, we have finally fingered and caught George Lucas himself on these boards! We got him boys, red-handed!!!!

You're Lord of the Rings "token black" is a stereotype. You must be another sheltered white boy from Modesto. If you think all blacks act like that you ARE the product of people like George Lucas...and similar minded fools who seem to think all blacks are gangsta rappas who say "sheeeyat byeetch" and the same exact kind of idiots who think all asians are greedy Wok owners saying "flied lice...you wan mor flied lice?"

All blacks are wise crackin rappas?

All asians greedy laundrymat ownders? Or what?

All jews neurotic greedy swindlers?

You see YOU SEE IN STEREOTYPES because of people like George Lucas, and THAT is the problem.

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Posted 10 November 2004 - 01:34 AM

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You're Lord of the Rings "token black" is a stereotype.
...You see YOU SEE IN STEREOTYPES because of people like George Lucas, and THAT is the problem.


the only stereo type i see is the stereo type chosen to appease the stereotypical complaints made about even period peices...

the Lord of the Rings snippet i made there was made on the basis of the token black guy (or tolkien black guy if you prefer) in the Dungeons and Dragons movie...

i don't for a second believe that all black people are 'Gangstas'

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You must be another sheltered white boy from Modesto. If you think all blacks act like that you ARE the product of people like George Lucas...and similar minded fools who seem to think all blacks are gangsta rappas who say "sheeeyat byeetch" and the same exact kind of idiots who think all asians are greedy Wok owners saying "flied lice...you wan mor flied lice?"


funny you should make that accusation as it so happens...

I AM BLACK!!!!

well, half indian... but i know they're not cool enough to call themselves black, even though i was called NIGGER often enough growing up...

but hey what would i know being HALF ASIAN!!! oh, no wait i'm Indian, not ASIAN... tongue.gif

i'll let the idiot remark slide because there is no: [SARCASM][/SARCASM] feature on this message board...

so no hard feelings...

and finally i have no idea where modesto is... but it's been brought up ALOT so eh... little help...

i'm in Sydney... where (unless you live out west) genrally... the most hassled minority are racists... at least where i live...

seriously, you can be from anywhere and attracted to either sex, and all is cool... no one cares... we can aslo poke fun at each other but it all goes around and we all have fun, and it's done out of respect...
it's the australian sense of humour...

it seems to me america is such a failed attept at a multicultural society...
because racial hatred and PC thugging are so high... we have that stuff in australia too, but no where near as much...

everyone just needs to chill...

honestly...

Political Corectness is the greatest form of disguised mass-genralisation and racsist plot to ever hit the streets...
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Posted 10 November 2004 - 02:20 AM

"it seems to me america is such a failed attept at a multicultural society..."


What attempt?
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Posted 10 November 2004 - 02:32 AM

ah touche...
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Posted 12 November 2004 - 12:10 AM

You know, I think I may have found a partial solution to the dehumanizing aspects that movies place on some races at least where villians are concerned. Movies should just make the bad guys nazis, regardless what the movie's genre might be. You never hear people say, "Stop disrespecting my nazi heritage!" You can make nazis as demoralized, vile and as inhumane as possible and not one group is going to rise up and complain about how their feelings are hurt.

Want to make a movie about the Baton Death March? Replace the Japanese with nazis!

How about a movie about the American revolution? Replace the English with nazis!

I think George Lucas should tinker with the OT one more time and CGI over the stormtroopers and put SS uniforms on them! Nazi's are the perfect villians!

As far as the obvious lack of heroic minorities in the movies, I have no real answer. I have watched films such as Braveheart and wondered, "Where is the flamboyant gay black man? Where is this groups voice in this movie?" Watching Akira Kurosowa's Ran I was just disgusted by the obvious hatred he had towards the Japanese. I mean did you see how many Japanese people he killed in that movie? Movies like this need to be stopped.

Anyway I guess the point I'm trying to make that many others have said before me, not showing a particular race in a big budget film is not racism. and as Barend put it.[/QUOTE]THEIR FUCKING MOVIES!!!! NOT U.N. MEETINGS OKAY !!![QUOTE]
By the way, I find movies that make humans to be the bad guys far more annoying! How many damn enviromentalist movies like "Brother Bear" with the same message "animals good humans bad" do I need to sitthrough? I wish they would make a movie where nature goes bad and humans have to kill otters and other cute things for their very survival! The Human Resistance shall overcome the Cuddly Fangs of Doom! VIVA LA RESISTANCE!
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Posted 12 November 2004 - 01:19 AM

GMTOD...

i love you...

secondly...

i like the Nazi idea, but it keeps reminding the jews to hate all germans...
(a lack of racial tolerance you've got to respect unless you want to be labled 'anti-semetic').

perhaps the Romans would be the way to go...
they were wiped out...
they have no body to defend thier rights, and vilifing them further will only cement the jewish market right?

so everyones happy?

so new law in film making...

bad guys can only be portrayed as Romans, Dinasaurs, Dodos, Tasmanian Tigers, and aliens that don't have accents...
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Posted 12 November 2004 - 01:27 AM

Well put GMTOD. I liked the comparrisons.
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Posted 12 November 2004 - 08:18 PM

Passion! Passion! Passion!

If you've looked at the serials that Lucas says he wanted to recreate in SW, it's hard to deny that they come off as extremely racist. It certainly reflected an American society with segregation in the South and in the military. Japanese Americans were interned. Those were days when John Wayne played Ghengis Khan and white Americans played Indian savages in Westerns.

Not saying that Lucas is racist, but when history judges SW in a future world, it's very possible that his movies will come of as racially insensitive. Similarly, the many posts refuting an Anti-Asian prejudice (which I don't see, and I'm Asian) with an absolute inclusion of every monority argument comes off as insensitive bitching.

This is not an argument for PC. Nor do I presume to think I can make you into someone you aren't in the way you express yourself, but if YOU don't see racism that doesn't mean it's not there, consciously or unconsciously, blantly or subtlely, in the eyes of another point of view.

When it comes to the raising of minority issues, it's very easy for the established majority to write off prejudice as an issue that is either irrelevant to the circumstances or a past, overcome issue.

But to cast the issue in another light, no one has said that SW was anti-British because almost all of the Imperials spoke with a British accent. In fact, there was a deliberate decision to use Englishmen (not women) as the evil leaders. White people don't see the connection because there isn't a presumed assumption that the predominantly white film industry is making an overty anti-Caucasian statement.

Several years ago, American blacks made a stink about the lack of realistic and positive black role models (read non-Bill Cosby type). Statistically, at that time, the argument was very compelling. It caused the Hollywood industry to do a little soul searching and then put their money where their mouth was. There is now a wide variety of African-American TV programming on the major networks.

So should GL include more Asians or Latinos or Armenians or Tibetans? Well, if he doesn't care, why should he include them? But GL does care. He's made many statements saying basically that he does care what other people think. People did care that the voice of Darth Vader was that of a black man. He cared that some people saw the Neimoidians as stereotyped Asians.

I might even argue that SW is sexist: from the Leia bikini to the Asian female Jedi to the scanty clad Oola. While I won't characterize those as consciously sexist, few men can deny that there is an aspect of the casting which panders to the male audience as well as the male crew. OK, so the casting might be done by a woman, but women too can pander to the visual exploitation of the female form, in as much as they pander to the onfilm prejudice for beautiful faces. Is that anti-comeliness?

So, to original point of the thread I started. Would it truly upset everyone here if Lucas included an Asian male actor as a member of the Jedi order just because a few of us Asians clamored for a respresentative figure?
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Posted 12 November 2004 - 09:12 PM

Well, I agree with you. There is much in Star Wars that is basically insensitive, retarded and offensive. As kids you don't really see these things, but 25 years later it hits you.

I will say this however, not to go against your point, because this has more to do with plagiarism, but Lucas' first choice for Obiwan Kenobi was Tochiro Mifune. Lucas ACTUALLY wanted Mifune to reprise his General Rokoruta role in Hidden Fortress as Obiwan Kenobi. Go figure. However, the Neimoidian stereoypes are blatantly obvious and so therefore Mifune's choice is no excuse.

The simple fact that he does actually have asians, though they play kamikazees and 'kung-fu chicks' means its all the more insane. For as many "homages" Lucas puts in Star Wars, you'd think he'd have an asian master Jedi. However the lack of one may also be because an Asian Jedi would immediately throw off his whole method, he wants us to believe these gothic monk-warriors in franciscan/japanese robes are an otherworldly Knights Templar, not alien shaolin guardians. The Jedi, though they use obvious martial arts are more european, Masonic, not asian. Lucas' goal, I think is to create a futuristic masonic sect with supernatural powers which is entirely european, and not a Taoist artifact. Why? I don't think its conspiratorial, its just Lucas. Indiana Jones is basically jerk off material for Masons and is full of masonic lore, Lucas just gets off on that medieval stuff. So you have medieval space knights and an added bonus for the audience, 'kick ass martial arts violence' which may be from Asian sources, but its all marketing.

The Force may be like Taoism, or Chi Gung, but its an infantile view of it. Add in the midichlorian theology and you get even further from it. Besides, fundamentalist christians have been writing for years how star wars is biblical, and Masons(founders of fundamentalist christianity) love the whole St.George and the Kinghts and all that stuff. Lucas, his Holy Grail and Wagnerian/Perceval ode is purely eurocentric, any asian influences are for looks, plagiarism, to make it "alien" and add some "spice" to a very tormented story.

The whole "elected monarchy" thing is also masonic/medieval, regardless of the asian wardrobe styles. Its to throw you off. Realize I am not bringing up the Masons as a "conspiratorial" thing, its a cultural reality, there are masons, they have beliefs, and mentalities and there is nothing secret about them. And Lucas loves all that stuff, he proved it in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Face it Star Wars is Holy Wars. Two religous sects fighting for control of the universe.

As I once said before, the idea of religious combatant men wielding radioactive razor blades who operate in the capacity of the CIA, is pretty creepy.

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Posted 13 November 2004 - 01:12 AM

This was posted on a Masonic Website and is only available to view via google 'cached' article, the site was called Tracing Board, Free and Accepted masons...in other words a mason wrote this:


" Star Wars & Freemasonry?
Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed the startling similarities between the Jedi Order and the Order of Freemasons? Both are a noble order of protectors. They both have a belief in a universal Force. Both are ancient orders of selective initiation. The enemy of Freemasonry is the "Dark." Etc,

Perhaps George Lucas looked back to a time when Freemasons were the eternal warriors of the Truth and the Light, and then saw how the Order had fallen from its once noble state, as if overcome by the "Dark Side" to only dream of their classic history and past glories. When reading the works of Masonic authors of the late 18th and 19th centuries one is overwhelmed by the similarities between the ideas and legends presented, especially in light of the Star Wars films.

Lucas states: "To become a Jedi requires the deepest commitment and most serious mind. It is not a venture to be undertaken lightly. As such, Jedi instruction is rigidly structured and codified to enforce discipline and hinder transgression."

Freemasonry is also a "rigidly structured and codified" system that requires the deepest level of commitment to truly master. Its degrees create a structured school of instruction and initiation that leads the Candidate to Light, and away from the Dark Side.

Compare this to Albert Pike's statement in the Blue Lodge degrees:

"If you become a Freemason... , you will find the stern realities of duty behind its symbols. You must not only war against and subdue your passions, but must in earnest strive and strike to overcome other foes of Humanity - the hypocrites who deceive it, the faithless who defraud, the fanatics who oppress it; the ambitious who usurp it, and the corrupt and unprincipled who make a profit of the confidence of the masses. Have you the energy, the resolution, the devotion, to engage in that long warfare against darkness, perfidy, and error?" - Albert Pike, Liturgy of the Blue Degrees, 18xx(?)

Again, Albert Pike, in Morals & Dogma, seems to be defining a Jedi-like Order:

"The Order of Free-Masons is, or ought to be, an association of intelligent, virtuous, disinterested, generous, and devoted men, regarding each other as Free, Equals and Brothers, and bound by the obligations of fraternity.... And, Free-Masonry is a system and school, not only of morals, but of political and religious philosophy, suggested by its allegories and concealed under its symbols. And, including in itself several Degrees of Knighthood, it is also a Chivalric Order, requiring the practice and performance of the highest duties of the man, the citizen, the patriot, and the soldier."

This same theme echoes throughout all Masonic philosophy and ideology.

Classical Freemasonry traced its origins back to an order of warrior monks of the middle ages: the Knights Templar. As legend relates these warrior monks possessed magical skills, allowing them to do miraculous things. They attained these skills after reading the hidden materials they found beneath the Temple mount in Jerusalem of an ancient order of mystical warriors.

Now compare this to the Jedi in Star Wars:

The Jedi Order
(from http://www.starwars.com)

A noble order of protectors unified by their belief and observance of the Force, the Jedi hearken back to a more civilized, classical time in galactic history. Their order is ancient, spanning over a thousand generations. As the Galactic Republic throve and grew over the centuries, the Jedi came to serve it as guardians of peace and justice.

To become a Jedi requires the deepest commitment and most serious mind. It is not a venture to be undertaken lightly. As such, Jedi instruction is rigidly structured and codified to enforce discipline and hinder transgression. Only 20 Jedi have ever voluntarily renounced their commissions. It is with great regret that the Jedi order recognize the so-called "Lost Twenty." A Jedi who fails in his training can be a very serious threat. The dark side of the Force beckons to the impatient, and students in the past have been lured to its call with devastating consequences.

The sworn enemies of the Jedi are the Sith -- a cult-like order bent on domination through subservience to the Force's dark side. Founded by former Jedi, the Sith abandoned the precepts of knowledge and defense, and instead seek abandon and strength through the Force's hateful energies. Centuries ago, the Jedi destroyed the Sith order. A dangerous complacency set it, wherein the Jedi believed the Sith extinct. Little did they know the order would arise anew, to destroy their ranks.

Jedi Temple
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Removed from the surrounding bustle and urban sprawl by benefit of its colossal height, the Jedi Temple was the home of the Jedi order on Coruscant. It stood alone in its section of the planet-wide city, a towering edifice capped by a crown of five spires that housed the most important temple chambers.

Within one of the outer spires convened the Jedi High Council, the governing body of the order. From its circular Council chamber, a ring of 12 Jedi held court, monitoring galactic events and contemplating the nature of the Force. It was the Council that held final authority on Jedi missions on behalf of the Republic, and on whether prospective candidates were worthy of training.

Elsewhere in the temple, training facilities were staffed by revered Jedi Masters, who guided young Padawans in their first steps toward Jedi Knighthood. The most influential of Masters had private offices to plan and meditate. A well-stocked library contained knowledge from across the galaxy. Advanced communications networks kept the Jedi in touch with galactic events, and landing pads allowed Jedi transports and vessels to launch and land.




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Posted 13 November 2004 - 06:38 AM

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Yes. Why the hell can't we make a film that is all white and get away with it. There are more Asians in the world than white people. Asians have tons and tons of movies with all Asian casts and whatnot. SW was made by some white dude, who clearly had a predominate white cast, and he made it in a predominately white country. It has nothing to do with racisim.

I would never in a million years ask any director to bow to my stupid wishe "I want a white guy in the movie, to make me feel better and happy".


Even what I said up above is probably considered racist. I hate society.
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Posted 13 November 2004 - 10:46 AM

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So, to original point of the thread I started. Would it truly upset everyone here if Lucas included an Asian male actor as a member of the Jedi order just because a few of us Asians clamored for a respresentative figure?


If he did so because the actor in question fit the role, go for it! Ken Watanabe (an obvious choice) would have made a great Jedi. But if he did so in order to be "politically correct", then I agree with Jordan.

You know, to be honest, I wouldn't give a f*ck which races would be included in Star Wars. Have we really reached the point, that whenever a certain race is very predominant in a movie it becomes racism? I can't believe what I'm hearing. Would you njamilla argue that a lot of asian movies need africans and caucasians because otherwise some people might find them offensive? There are many east-asian movies I really love and can identify with, but I wouldn't dream of asking for some kind of "racial representation" in these films. Ask yourself, which is more intolerant.
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Posted 13 November 2004 - 02:01 PM

Barend: Haven't done that much research on the masonic orders, but I know that the knights templar as a model specifically because of Lucas' relation to Joseph Campbell. In my book, I provide strong influences from knights Templar, Hospitallers, Teutonic Knights, Mamelukes, Jannisaries, sohei, and the Jesuits. I don't argue that they're direct influences, but that the forms of these organization reflect aspect of GL's Jedi Order.

Would you njamilla argue that a lot of asian movies need africans and caucasians because otherwise some people might find them offensive?

If I made my movie within the confines of a Hong Kong neighborhood that is predominantly Chinese ethnically, I wouldn't expect to see Caucasians. If the plot involved sections of the tourist area of the city, I would expect to see British and other tourist types like Americans and Japanese.

If I made my movie in a cosmopolitan world where the Asians have taken over the world, I'd expect to see mostly Asians and a few white people. Read, Blade Runner.

So, if I made a movie about the center of the universe which is the hive and core of universal government and the site of many of the universe's agencies, I'd expect to representatives of every race, even alien races. This is not an arguement for more Asians or even Jawas, just a reflection of the society which is supposed to populate the planet of Coruscant, as well as what I would presume is a pretty inclusive order like that of the Jedi.

I'm not complaining that Hero doesn't have any Whites (it's not appropriate). But if you set your movie on the continental US plains during the construction of the railroad, it'd be inaccurate if there were only Whites building it. No, a movies doesn't have to be historically accurate either, but don't complain if an Asian brings up the point that the movie is lacking in the Asian backs that constructed the transcontinental railway.


Ask yourself, which is more intolerant.
Fair representation is my point. A point which includes the idea that GL pays admitted homage to the samurai with the Jedi and nary an Asian male Jedi is to be found in the final cut of the entire saga. Deliberate inclusion of representative races is a reflection of tolerance in a multicultural society such as that on Coruscant.

Let's face it, racism isn't the focus of GL's story. Anger and hate is. He touches on bigotry against droids in the Mos Eisley cantina, but he doesn't make any overt statements about it. GL's concept of droids is no where near the visions of the Matrix, Terminator, I, Robot, or Star Trek which posits the idea of sentience. For Lucas, a droid is sophisticated machine, no emotions except for slapstick humor and dramatic license.
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