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Posted 03 July 2008 - 09:21 PM

Terrorists hate westerners for their freedom but what freedoms do they like the least? I wanna know so i can go excersise those freedoms very puclicly and loudly, probalby with abeer.

Wat do you all think? Maybe its the right to bear arms they like the least, since it keeps them out of the countrry!
i really dont ok?
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Posted 03 July 2008 - 11:15 PM

Terrorists hate the freedom of eating paint chips the most, an American freedom you are clearly already excercising, possibly in public with this abeer person.

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Posted 04 July 2008 - 03:37 AM

Terrorists hate how we are free to blow ourselves up in public, so they flaunt that freedom in front of us. Grrr those terrorists. We should show them by exorcising that freedom ourselves!
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Posted 04 July 2008 - 03:47 AM

Freedom of religion, if anything.
"I felt insulted until I realized that the people trying to mock me were the same intellectual titans who claimed that people would be thrown out of skyscrapers and feudalism would be re-institutionalized if service cartels don't keep getting political favors and regulations are cut down to only a few thousand pages worth, that being able to take a walk in the park is worth driving your nation's economy into the ground, that sexual orientation is a choice that can be changed at a whim, that problems caused by having institutions can be solved by introducing more institutions or strengthening the existing ones that are causing the problems, and many more profound pearls of wisdom. I no longer feel insulted because I now feel grateful for being alive and witnessing such deep conclusions from my fellows."
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Posted 05 July 2008 - 01:12 AM

Freedom of religion? Wot? That doesnt make a damned bit of sense. They hate us because we are a Christian majority nation that allows Muslims to practice their religion (arguably, see recent spying cases) without fear of reprisal? And I think the terrorists have freedom of religion too. Who's going to tell them not to be crazy right wing Muslims? Well, besides Bush.

If they hate us simply because we're a different religion, that has nothing to do with freedom thereof. And I assure you that they don't.

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 09:07 AM

QUOTE (J m HofMarN @ Jul 5 2008, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Freedom of religion? Wot? That doesnt make a damned bit of sense. They hate us because we are a Christian majority nation that allows Muslims to practice their religion (arguably, see recent spying cases) without fear of reprisal? And I think the terrorists have freedom of religion too. Who's going to tell them not to be crazy right wing Muslims? Well, besides Bush.

If they hate us simply because we're a different religion, that has nothing to do with freedom thereof. And I assure you that they don't.


I wasn't being specific, gringo.
"I felt insulted until I realized that the people trying to mock me were the same intellectual titans who claimed that people would be thrown out of skyscrapers and feudalism would be re-institutionalized if service cartels don't keep getting political favors and regulations are cut down to only a few thousand pages worth, that being able to take a walk in the park is worth driving your nation's economy into the ground, that sexual orientation is a choice that can be changed at a whim, that problems caused by having institutions can be solved by introducing more institutions or strengthening the existing ones that are causing the problems, and many more profound pearls of wisdom. I no longer feel insulted because I now feel grateful for being alive and witnessing such deep conclusions from my fellows."
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Posted 06 July 2008 - 01:24 PM

Ah yes. You were just very generally saying that it was freedom of religion. Identifying that sole answer in a very general, non selective sense.

How silly of me to misinterpret.

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 02:37 PM

QUOTE (J m HofMarN @ Jul 7 2008, 04:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ah yes. You were just very generally saying that it was freedom of religion. Identifying that sole answer in a very general, non selective sense.

How silly of me to misinterpret.


Look at what happened after the parton of India (Hindu/Muslim), the war in Vietnam (Buddhist/Catholic), the Israel/Palestine problem (Judaism/Muslim) or the troubles in Ireland (Catholic/Protestant) just to name a few. Not everything is about you, gringo.

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"I felt insulted until I realized that the people trying to mock me were the same intellectual titans who claimed that people would be thrown out of skyscrapers and feudalism would be re-institutionalized if service cartels don't keep getting political favors and regulations are cut down to only a few thousand pages worth, that being able to take a walk in the park is worth driving your nation's economy into the ground, that sexual orientation is a choice that can be changed at a whim, that problems caused by having institutions can be solved by introducing more institutions or strengthening the existing ones that are causing the problems, and many more profound pearls of wisdom. I no longer feel insulted because I now feel grateful for being alive and witnessing such deep conclusions from my fellows."
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Posted 06 July 2008 - 04:39 PM

I don't think the troubles in any of those places were about FREEDOM of religion. I can say from some personal experience that the troubles in Northern Ireland were mostly organized crime and personal tragedy mixed with poverty and boredom. Once all that's in plce, you just need an "us" and "them," and bob's your uncle. Religion's an easy "us"/"them" divider, but in a lot of cases you'll find that the religious differences also have national and racial counterparts.
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Posted 06 July 2008 - 07:41 PM

I'm going to go with 'eating pussy'.

EDIT: and the legalization of weddings betwixt chicken and hotsauce.

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Posted 07 July 2008 - 12:58 PM

Ah I love this tactic! "I wasn't really saying that, but just incase I was I'll defend it!"

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Look at what happened after the parton of India (Hindu/Muslim), the war in Vietnam (Buddhist/Catholic), the Israel/Palestine problem (Judaism/Muslim) or the troubles in Ireland (Catholic/Protestant) just to name a few.


Every single one of those conflicts had to do with imperialism, not religion. The parton(sic) of India was done hastily by a failing British empire. The war in Vietnam was arranged when the US torpedoed democratic elections that would have brought Vietnam's great liberator, Ho Chi Minh, to power over the whole country and averted a terrible war. The Israeli Palestinian problem has jack shit to do with religion, and a lot to do with several million people being expelled from their homes, daily missile raids, and other aggression by the zionists. And the Northern Ireland deal is a centuries old conflict that probably started with the Roman invasion sometime before anyone on the islands knew what a Jesus was.

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Not everything is about you, gringo.


Yes it is. I'm the freedom terrorists hate the worst. The freedom to RAAAAAAAAAAAWK!

Barend- Just who I've been looking for. I have here an order that requires you to cease and desist with your secret ray gun that saps the intelligence of all your countrymen on these forums.

This post has been edited by J m HofMarN: 07 July 2008 - 12:59 PM

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Posted 07 July 2008 - 08:54 PM

JM, you're wrong about the business in Northern Ireland. You're right that it was Imperialism (British), but wrong that it had anything to do with the Romans.

Anyway on to the main subject, targetting a foreign power with random attacks would be the least effective means possible of convincing it to abandon its internal policies, eg religious freedom. More likely, terrorist acts would be aimed at changing the foreign policy of the targeted nation, not its domestic policy. There are some exceptions to this, sure, eg terrorism aimed at deposing a hated leader or at changing a law, but these aren't the terrorists we're talking about here.

If it's "freedom to support aggression against nations friendly to terror organuizations" then yeah, maybe they hate that freedom. Like the Kamikaze pilots were dying in opposition to the US's freedom to firebomb Tokyo, that sort of thing.
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Posted 07 July 2008 - 11:16 PM

QUOTE (J m HofMarN @ Jul 7 2008, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Barend- Just who I've been looking for. I have here an order that requires you to cease and desist with your secret ray gun that saps the intelligence of all your countrymen on these forums.


I have a constitutional right to carry that ray-gun. The only way you're getting it is to pry it from my cold dead hands.
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Posted 08 July 2008 - 12:05 AM

There were Roman proddings at Ireland, but you're right, full scale invasion and empire only occured much later, around 1000. Damn you Civ.

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 12:49 AM

lets not make personal insults. i dont eat paint chips, and i like being an australian,. i bet there arte lots of other australians on teh forum beside Barned who are smart. and i dont think terrorists blow themselves up bercause they like it, but im certainly not about to exorcise (sorry myspelling was wrong) that freedom any time soon!

Back on topic, i think duacon is right. terrorists hate us for our religious beliefs and our freedom to have those believes that they want to take away. islam makes them do it. when was the last time you say a Jewish man bomb siomething.

This post has been edited by HldmeThrllmeChrs&Trlby: 08 July 2008 - 12:51 AM

i really dont ok?
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