QUOTE (J m HofMarN @ Aug 4 2008, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh come on. What motivation could there possibly be for Hamas to horde food or fuel from Palestinians under their government? Their people rarely drive in cars, and they're the elected government of Gaza, so I'd say they have a pretty good reason to equally distribute supplies. The problem is that Hamas' distributions are almost the only food available, since under the economic embargo no one can make any money to buy other food with.
What the hell do you think those Katyushas run on? Goodwill?
As for the food (and the fuel they don't use)... they sell it to the Gaza residents at higher prices.
QUOTE (J m HofMarN @ Aug 4 2008, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Issrael purged Palestinians based upon religion. Israel denies Muslim arabs citizenship, but does not deny Jewish arabs. Israel closes the borders of Gaza and the West Bank, so the only work to be gotten is in Israel where you must speak Yiddish, and where it helps to be a Jew.
Two Israeli soldiers chat with Arab citizens of Israel in the Galilee, 1978.
Wikipedia states...
Number of Arab civilians in Israel: 1,375,600.
Number of Muslim civilians in Israel: 1,142,000.
ProCon.org states...
Number of Arabs in Israel: 1,439,700.
Number of Jews in West Bank: 255,600.
QUOTE (J m HofMarN @ Aug 4 2008, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It is not OUR definition, it is THE WORLD's definition. from the 1948 treaty on the prevention and punishment of genocide:
Israel is guilty of A, B, and C. C, by the way, would cover putting people in concentration camps, or making their living space a concentration camp by, I dunno, building a big fucking wall around it and lobbing in bombs. You'll also notice the part about the intent of the actions. That's why what the US did was not genocide.
Israel is guilty of A, B, and C. C, by the way, would cover putting people in concentration camps, or making their living space a concentration camp by, I dunno, building a big fucking wall around it and lobbing in bombs. You'll also notice the part about the intent of the actions. That's why what the US did was not genocide.
If Palestinians are living so badly and are under such a harsh embargo... how the hell did they get Katyushas across the border? As for your lame claim of genocide:
A. Surely if Israel was planning to kill all Arabs/Muslims then it would have started with the ones INSIDE Israel.
B. The only time Israel lobbies bombs into the Gaza Strip or the West Bank is when crazy religious militants there lobby rockets into Israel.
C. For me to believe you I would have to ignore the fact that the Arab population has continually increased since 1948.
D. You must have proof that Israelis steal Arab children (then sacrificing them to their god, no doubt) and relocate them to other places.
QUOTE (J m HofMarN @ Aug 4 2008, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You claimed that we were somehow holocaust minimizers, though neither of us had made any statement to disparage the factuality of the holocaust or reduce the generally accepted number of humans killed therein. This was baseless and was just a knee jerk rebuttal to something that clearly bothered you: The statement that, if you don't think herding Palestinians out of their homes and confining them in squalid conditions isn't genocide, that you must think the same of what was done to the Jews before they were killed. To say that only when Hitler actually had them killed was genocide being comitted, and not until then, is a form of holocaust denial. And runs contrary, as I've shown, to international law.
You two are holocaust minimizers by declaring every war since WW2 to be a "holocaust" and "genocide." You did in fact declare every war to be genocide since you declared that property damage and refugees constitute genocide (I assume civilian_number_two agrees with you on that.)
This post has been edited by Deucaon: 04 August 2008 - 05:17 AM