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Posted 03 July 2008 - 08:07 PM

QUOTE (Ghello @ Jul 3 2008, 05:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Game Over's pants are going to explode watching this im sure.

Good call.

Right, I have some arguing to do. Firstly, I know about Yahtzee's earlier works. Though I came to the website to play 5DAS I soon found and enjoyed the rest of his work, and sometimes I go back and find that I get jokes I didn't use to get.

Okay, the general opinion of a person is irrelevant to their work. I know one of the Doctor Whos was unpleasant in real life, but still a great actor (and I don't mean the new ones). So it matters very little what you say about Tim.

People say he's a shitty writer, he doesn't try to improve his art etc etc. Maybe, just maybe, did you ever consider that he has difficulty doing the webcomic on a regular basis? He writes and does the art all for himself.

Bare with me momentarily. Let's go along the lines of he's a pretty good writer and a pretty good drawer (?). But, when he tries to juggle them both and produce frequent webcomics his potential skill suddenly drops.

So to counter balance he uses these sudden dramatic twists etc. I actually think the reaction to it is completely overblown. For a dramatic storyline it's only been nine comics and if you include the most recent one ten. Even then they each had interruptions of his normal style of gaming humour.

So, to conclude. What I have seen so far is;
Criticism of the creator
Criticism of the art
Criticism of the plot
Criticism of the two extra panels

But I haven't actually seen criticism of the humour. Most people go 'yeah, okay, he made me laugh a couple of times.' It seems to me that people have a problem with everything that doesn't matter. When you get down to it it's a gaming humour comic with an occasional short run dramatic plot. We're nitpicking here.

The whole nonsense of him closing the topic and saying 'everyone is entitled to their own opinion is like going 'Let Yahtzee have his opinion of me'. Why criticise that?

AdamM, until your last post I thought you were going fine, but then you just abused someone for apparently no reason. Are you that much of a grammer nazi that you had to pick out all those points then painstakingly criticise them?

I find it sadly funny that Game Over compares a guy who does what everyone seems to consider a mediocre comic to someone who slaughtered thousands of people just because of religion.

I wish I had Adam's applauding picture right now.
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Posted 03 July 2008 - 11:31 PM

The whole point of Yahtzee's video which we have so elegantly demonstrated in forum-play format here, is INTERNET DRAMA. If there is ONE lesson Buckley has learned from his years as a cartoonist/artist/prick is that he cannot afford to start shit, or let shit be started between him and anyone else anymore. This is an upgrade from the Logic Armor, because now that he's cemented his place in the gaming webcomics firmament, the dim 20-watt bulb orbiting Penny Arcade's gleaming white star, he doesn't need drama anymore.

Again, that's part of the point of Yahtzee's video.

The people who enjoy this video will invariably be like me or Yahtzee himself, people who dislike Tim on principle, or people who dislike CAD on principle. If you like CAD, you won't like the video, its as simple as that, because it is 100% an assault on that comic, the fact that it shares traits with umpteen thousand other comics is just a convenient pretext to check the motherfucker full force into the boards, to use some hockey terminology.

One thing CAD fans can't understand is that there is a subset among them who enjoy criticism, parody, and blinding hatred of CAD as much as CAD fans enjoy the strip itself. We are terrible people, but we are not wrong, just as you are not necessarily wrong for liking the strip.

I wish I could be like you, naive or uncaring as to all the glaring flaws in his comic and multitudes of other comics, it would enhance my enjoyment of the internet exponentially if I could read the things that John Solomon eviscerates and genuinely enjoy them, but I can't, because I know these people, I know their game, how its played, and in many cases they've attacked me personally.

Hell, Tim once told me I needed "serious fucking medication, pal". That's not something you say to the only person who could've helped him avert the RoM crisis, and thats why I stuck it to him then and precipitated much of the fallout from it. Fun fact, I since apologized, because I acted like a twat, as did many others. But it was fun! And memorable! There are people like me who will come out of the woodwork on the PvP forums, on Your Webcomic Is Bad, etc, drawn like moths to the flame of someone burning this motherfucker in virtual effigy. I think Tim's a bad writer because I think I'm a good writer. One of the reasons I think I'm a good writer is not only have my words moved grown men to tears, and not in an "oh my god this is so terrible it is poisonous to my eyes way" but I would never, ever write anything like Ctrl+Alt+Del as long as I live, ever.

When it comes down to it the drama that this man and his enemies created, that still festers, is a testament to his success. It takes a very special kind of asshole to create a shit stain that endures for so long, and he is that kind of asshole.

Then again, so am I, and I'm playing right into it still, loving every second of it.

edit: I'd also like to point out that writing and drawing a comic three times a week is not a difficult full time job, even if you add in the expenses/hassles of maintaining a site, including an often unruly community. Add to this the fact that Tim is known for his liberal use of copy and paste when constructing his comics, most people don't realize he actually gave away his comic creation "tools" during the early days, which were a set of images that could then be assembled via photoshop by any layman to produce something precisely equivalent to his strip. Wisely he has since taken down these shameful materials, and he isn't a bad artist, just a lazy one.

And one thing I'd like to add, from experience: Don't ever make excuses for someone else's shortcomings. That's their job, always, or at least it should be. Even if you're perfectly happy with how they're doing, don't make excuses for them. That's how I ended up here, ranting about a man I haven't spoken to in years, I made his excuses for him to a very large group of people, and helped create the monster that is the Tim of Today.

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Posted 04 July 2008 - 12:53 AM

You have made many good points. I would firstly like to say I enjoyed the ZP and I enjoy CAD. I get that people hate him for whatever their reasons are.
Secondly I would like to say that he's not here to defend himself and if I believe he's being misrepresented that I should defend him. I mean, come on, if someone insults your friend or someone you like then you defend them.

I can totally understand him being lazy. In fact, he sounds an awful lot like me except I wouldn't go around locking threads.

I would like to know what you meant by this line.

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What stuff did he used to start and why can't he anymore?
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Posted 04 July 2008 - 02:07 AM

QUOTE (Patch @ Jul 4 2008, 12:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You have made many good points. I would firstly like to say I enjoyed the ZP and I enjoy CAD. I get that people hate him for whatever their reasons are.
Secondly I would like to say that he's not here to defend himself and if I believe he's being misrepresented that I should defend him. I mean, come on, if someone insults your friend or someone you like then you defend them.

I can totally understand him being lazy. In fact, he sounds an awful lot like me except I wouldn't go around locking threads.

I would like to know what you meant by this line.


What stuff did he used to start and why can't he anymore?


He had a talent for instigating fights or falling into fights with other comic artists/people/entities.

The Tim I knew when I signed on back in 2002 was a far different man than the one that exists today, at least in terms of public facing. He was smart, well aware of the fact that he was walking a road that someone else paved with this comic of his. He was looking for some way to differentiate himself, early on he accomplished that by admitting that he was pretty much ripping off Penny Arcade and PvP, with a slightly different lens on it. Also, early on he had a full time job as a lifeguard so he didn't have the time to draw the strip, hence the copy/pasting.

My job was effectively to help set CAD apart from the rest of the pack by offering editorial content. The original plan circa 2002 that I came up with was to create a sort of socially-driven hub for game, movie, and dvd news called CADMedia. If you go back to the very first posts in the news archives on that site you can find my call for talent. I sifted through a few thousand applicants trying to find a group of people that I could wrangle into editors, the plan from there being to use a core staff of unpaid volunteers to start the reviews and editorials, ultimately shifting the focus to the community reviews and editorials, which would be vetted by the trained "staff". It had real potential. The Escapist actually uses a lot of these ideas, not that they stole them, it was a rather natural evolution and many people came up with them at once I think.

CADMedia languished, though, and by the time any form of it saw the light of day, I was long gone.

Here's where my direct knowledge ends and my theory begins. Sometime in 2003-4 he realized he didn't need to differentiate himself from the pack, because he could do alright without improving his comic. He had a fairly substantial fanbase and initially quite a few friends in the gaming comics world. Even Penny Arcade linked him once upon a time, which is akin to a blessing in that business. Megatokyo, Little Gamers, VGCats, 8-Bit Theater, they all got the Penny Arcade blessing, and the influx of traffic that provided laid the groundwork for what they are today, of course not all of those are created equal in monetary success, but they all live off their comics, which is the point.

At this point there was some upheaval in Tim's personal life, a personal life that was tied directly to the "webcomics community". His girlfriend at the time, Ellen, better known as EllChan, was a talented artist and designer in her own right, she did the layout and such for his first printed book. The first real sign of Monster Tim is that following that, she wanted to use the book in her design portfolio, a fairly reasonable request. Tim didn't let her buy a copy. Not only did he not let her buy a copy, he gave shit to the Applegeeks guys in public at Otakon (who were also once friends with him, Hawk in fact did the art for the cover) after they tried to buy Ellchan a copy. He didn't let them do that either.

So first he pisses off them. Hawk gets involved with Penny Arcade, and I'm guessing the story is related. Penny Arcade guys create the character R.H. Franzibald to lampoon Buckley, and Scott Kurtz picks a fight with him after Buckley lifts a PvP storyline wholesale.

Keep in mind, while all this inter-comic upheaval is going on, the man publicly bans an entire subforum, publicly bans me, his majordomo, disbands his world of warcraft and city of heroes guilds after angrily berating their members. Scott Kurtz, whose WoW guilds are on the same realm (again this was Tim going the "me too" route and making his own guild on Dark Iron along with the PA guilds and the PvP guilds) decided to take in the refugees and chastise Tim again for his behavior.

There are rumors that he was drunk or worse when he did that, rumors I can believe to a point. He had a talent for creating drama by handling situations wrong, and perpetuating it by putting on the ego armor when people didn't just let him do it. Eventually he settled on a doctrine that has worked well insofar as keeping him insulated from drama, namely he locks every thread that could possibly result in criticism of him or his work, or any thread about criticism and his work. He also actively engages in Wikipedia vandalism to keep his name and history out of articles there. To my knowledge his account is actually banned now.

The problem with him is one of pride, he's very wrong and he knows he's very wrong, but at the same time he's doing alright for himself, and so he lets his fans do his fighting for him, and make his excuses for him. Otherwise he has to swallow his pride and own up, which could jeopardize his zealotous fanbase. As I said, he locks threads about this video or the Yahtzee interview, or the John Solomon page, he doesn't delete them. "Everyone's entitled to their opinion" is his brooding way of saying "now go deck the motherfuckers". And a good chunk of his fans do just that. Just check out the backlash on The Escapist's forums. There's a reason I didn't go there.

Thats it for the history lesson/insight.

Tim isn't here because Tim doesn't fight his own battles. He won't go after Yahtzee directly, Yahtzee knows that, probably. He doesn't go after anyone directly, he just keeps his forums heavily censored and insulated and silently condones people to go out and beat on his critics in his stead. In that manner I can understand the Hitler references entirely. Its orders of magnitude different, but there are parallels between that regime and the way Tim runs his ship these days.

I'd urge you again to reconsider defending him. The best thing you can do to defend him is to say you like his comic and let that stand, not defend the work or the man, because that's not your job and trust me, if Tim wanted to post here, he would, and it would not be pretty. The only thing that could draw him out if my presence alone doesn't would be Yahtzee coming along and calling him a pedophile, which again, stupid baseless claim, see my first post here for the explanation.

Also I'd like to say that once upon a time Tim was my friend. Not to speak for them, but he was also Hawk's friend, Ananth's friend, and at the least friendly with Scott Kurtz, Gabe and Tycho, etc. I don't have the whole picture and I never will but I do know that he's done enough to alienate them permanently. He's certainly done and said enough to alienate me permanently, so no, I'm not misrepresenting him, I'm representing my former friend the way I would anywhere. I consider it a loss because that comic and website could have been so much more than it is or ever will be, and he could have gone a different path that wouldn't have resulted in this video or this post or this thread. Instead he's something of a legendary prick, deserved or undeserved. All I know is what I've experienced, deduced, and heard second-hand, and it isn't the whole picture, but its closer than anyone else has so that'll have to do, unless, yes, Tim wants to tell his side of the story, along with everyone else involved.

Something tells me that's a story better left incomplete.
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Posted 04 July 2008 - 03:11 AM

Nice essay.

Has Buckley ever come out against his criticsm anywhere?

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That's the most valid conclusion you can take from this. I feel if he hadn't specifically mentioned the miscarriage it would be one thing, but this is Yahtzee using the escapist money to launch a personal attack on someone he's been building a grudge against for months.

Next, he'll dedicate an entire ZP to endorsing an American Presidential candidate.


You can say that stuff here if you want.

Even if he has a grudge it didn't make his points any less vaild.

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Posted 04 July 2008 - 04:10 AM

I won't defend Tim for many reasons. Included in there are I don't know him well enough and also your speech actually moved me. However, as far as pride goes I know how bad it can be. He probably just digs himself a hole or gets his foot stuck in his mouth without knowing how to get out of it. He probably is genuinely sorry for these events, but doesn't know what to do about it.

I have to agree with Ghello, there's no shame in posting it here. Just because this is Yahtzee's home website doesn't mean we're passionate about what he does. We won't go defending him. Well, some of us will, but names are not worth mentioning.

I agree, it seems like Yahtzee's done this out of spite and a grudge rather then because it's funny. Okay, it is funny, but that's just because of the way it's done.

Ugh, anyway.
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Posted 04 July 2008 - 05:00 AM

I'm gonna stay above the fray. I don't have strong opinions on Ctl-Alt-Del or it's creator, as I don't read the comic and I haven't met the man. I have to say some very convincing things were said here as to the kind of ass the man is, but that'll remain an abstraction as I don't know him.

I'm just going to point out, Magicswordking, that Buckley might let his fans do his dirty work, but I don't think CAD's fans, devoted or not, pose any threat to Yahtzee. The Escapist isn't going to sack the guy who's single-handedly increased their traffic by 800% or something, especially not for stirring up the kind of controversies sure to drive their traffic even higher. Forum jabber, in the end, is just that. Tim Buckley himself would be the only one who might possibly make real trouble, but as you said, he doesn't fight his own battles and Yahtzee's own fanboy armada is quite huge, quite thick but quite devoted, and would flame the hell out of anyone who had the guts to publicly diss Yahtzee.


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Posted 04 July 2008 - 08:42 AM

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He did indeed make an explicit reference to a well-known bad webcomic in an essay about webcomics, much like how one might make a reference to Jurassic Park in an essay about raptors. CAD was no doubt among the biggest offenders, but it wasn't nearly the only one as people are making it out to be. (The example comic was also named "Benny Barcade" at one point)


Yes, but before doing that, he at least mentioned Penny Arcade by name. And he's relatively safe in doing so, since he didn't really rip into them.

It seems to me he's not shy about using one game to point out the flaws behind a genre (as in the Turok review), but somehow he becomes all coy and "I'm not actually talking about the specific thing I'm blatantly talking about" when it comes to Webcomics.

In fact the Turok review seems to be the direct inverse of this approach. In that he used one game to point out everything he dislikes about current-generation FPSs. On the other hand, in the webcomics review he seemed to use the non-specific criticism of a genre to take potshots at one or two comics. He'll happily eviscerate Brawl or Halo 3 with iconoclastic glee, but plays it coy when he baits the wrath of Buckley? He may well be a rampant egomaniac with an undeserved amount of popularity, but he's seriously that scary?

Anyway, just my tuppence worth. I tend to agree with his criticism of CAD and if he'd just had the balls to get out there and say it without any half-assed disclaimers at the end then I probably would have enjoyed it a lot more. Hopefully next week he'll get back to tilting at the Windmills he's obviously more comfortable with. That said, if I see a "Webcomics pt 2." or a "Mailbag Showdown" off the back off this week's one, then I might just skip my ZP fix for a week, or go watch one of the older ones instead.

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Posted 04 July 2008 - 10:36 AM

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Yes, but before doing that, he at least mentioned Penny Arcade by name. And he's relatively safe in doing so, since he didn't really rip into them.

It seems to me he's not shy about using one game to point out the flaws behind a genre (as in the Turok review), but somehow he becomes all coy and "I'm not actually talking about the specific thing I'm blatantly talking about" when it comes to Webcomics.

In fact the Turok review seems to be the direct inverse of this approach. In that he used one game to point out everything he dislikes about current-generation FPSs. On the other hand, in the webcomics review he seemed to use the non-specific criticism of a genre to take potshots at one or two comics. He'll happily eviscerate Brawl or Halo 3 with iconoclastic glee, but plays it coy when he baits the wrath of Buckley? He may well be a rampant egomaniac with an undeserved amount of popularity, but he's seriously that scary?

Anyway, just my tuppence worth. I tend to agree with his criticism of CAD and if he'd just had the balls to get out there and say it without any half-assed disclaimers at the end then I probably would have enjoyed it a lot more. Hopefully next week he'll get back to tilting at the Windmills he's obviously more comfortable with. That said, if I see a "Webcomics pt 2." or a "Mailbag Showdown" off the back off this week's one, then I might just skip my ZP fix for a week, or go watch one of the older ones instead.


Since hes obviously talking about CAD (Miscarriage story, being an ass at any convention) but never states it, it was really just piss for the CAD fans, obviously if CAD fans didn't see CAD this way then the review wouldn't have made sense. but, since he never actually says CAD and at the end disclaims he never mentioned any names, and CAD fans already assume he's talking about CAD, it was to make them feel stupid or embarrased (or even moved) that they connected the dots to something that was only related by subject matter.

Though he was barely subtle, which was suppose to be part of the joke.

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Posted 04 July 2008 - 10:54 AM

QUOTE (Ghello @ Jul 4 2008, 04:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Though he was barely subtle, which was suppose to be part of the joke.


A joke that has to be explained has already failed.

My point is, he doesn't beat around the bush with Halo fans, or Nintendo fans, or the fans of any other project he takes his literary chainsaw to. Why does CAD merit the special treatment?

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Posted 04 July 2008 - 11:02 AM

I don't think he explained it for the dumb but more to piss of the CAD fans, I doubt if it was titled "Zero Puncuation:CAD" and he replaced all the B's with the appropriate letters it would'nt have made any less of an impact.

Or maybe The Escapist is pulling every string on Yahtzees body to prevent all the CADies to flame the fuck outta their website, its different when you got bosses.

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Posted 04 July 2008 - 11:28 AM

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Then I guess you "enjoyed" is almost as much as I did.


Hello there, Tim.

See what I did there? If you defend CAD you must be Tim Buckley! Ha! Ha! Ha!


.... I'm a girl, but if you insist on making such a nice lovely first contact, my name is Melanie, nice to meet you. I'm sorry about my bad english, I don't live near anyone who speaks english and the few classes I've had were mediocre, but thank you for helping me improve.


Now from reading the rest of your comment... I'm gessing you know don't know much about the comic industry and you've been more one to enjoy it rather then try getting into it? I'll let you on a little secret; Templates are widely used in every sphere of this industry, from video game concept art to mate painting, comics, book cover illustration and what not. If it's legal and can save you time, then it's used. Sooo... is it good or bad? Well, it's good for the wallet, it's a bit of a let down for people who think it's all made from scratch but as long as you reach your objectives qualety-wise, concept-wise and time wise, I personnally don't see it as "wrong".

You've mentioned seeing Tim's other art and saying he has more "potential" I can't elaborate on that, I haven't seen them. Chances are, he made his decisions by taking in consideration his time limits and the fact getting more pages out per week is, money-wise, more beneficial then having more dynamic or detailed art. Once again, it may be a bit more of a subjective thing regarding wether it's bad or not... On one hand, he'd get more merite out of trying to do something that goes above the masses and always putting his best in his comics... On the other hand, people have absolutely no attention span so he'd loose a big part of his "fan base"/money/ and his time on drawing other stuff then CAD.

My 2cent, if he'd want to get somewhere, and by that I meen somewhere else then the webcomic...He should kill CAD, it's been going on for years now and he has no other comics... Which would lead a lot of publisher to think he had one single idea in his life and he just..you know, got lucky.


but all that aside and because I might have not made my point clear in my first post; like you said, tastes are subjective, and telling someone who has the courage to speak up when he's clearly a minorety that it's okay to like CAD because in our country it's legal to be "wrong" and crap...not only does it not encourage dialog, it's rude and makes you look quite self-righteous.

there, I hope I haven't got anything you said wrong :s if so, feel free to re-adjust.

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Posted 04 July 2008 - 11:43 AM

QUOTE (Ghello @ Jul 4 2008, 05:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Or maybe The Escapist is pulling every string on Yahtzees body to prevent all the CADies to flame the fuck outta their website, its different when you got bosses.


Ultimately, having devoted more thought to this whole debacle than I really wanted to, there's only one reason i can think of for Yahtzee not blatantly mentioning CAD that doesn't smack of him somehow wimping out: he didn't want to give them any more free publicity.

If the Escapist were really concerned about having "CADies" boost their page impressions, erm "flame the fuck outta their website" then they wouldn't have posted it at all. Anyone familiar with the source material is capable of putting 2+2 together.

I'm frankly amazed none of the people leaping to Yahtzee's defense tried that one.

That said though, I still think when he starts using ZP as a vblog for whatever's pissing him off rather than for reviewing games, it's a slipperly slope that ends in him becoming as big a cock as Buckley apparently is.

The annoying thing is, if this week's review has boosted his viewing figures and the Escapist's traffic like I suspect it has, then there's every likelihood we'll see more of this stuff in the future.

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Posted 04 July 2008 - 12:07 PM

QUOTE (Walstafa @ Jul 4 2008, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A joke that has to be explained has already failed.

My point is, he doesn't beat around the bush with Halo fans, or Nintendo fans, or the fans of any other project he takes his literary chainsaw to. Why does CAD merit the special treatment?



Same reason you don't say Candlejack in public. He'll just show up out of nowhere and ta

edit: seriously though, the answer is pretty simple, you can use Turok to rip into FPSes as a genre because it is exemplary of all that is bad in FPS games. You can also use Gaming Webcomics as a means of ripping into CAD because the Escapist is a gaming website, and even if you come out and say "this is going to be a hit piece on ONE comic" your editors will make you justify it by spreading the ire around to "gaming webcomics" as an abstract, after all this is a departure for him from the normal form, so he's got to do things a little differently. I've got absolutely no insight into Yahtzee's personality or life beyond what he's remarked in public and produced in public, but he's definitely not dumb. Its not like The Escapist put a copy of CAD printed out on his desk and said "Go". It really is a criticism of terrible gaming comics in its entirety, you can find digs all over the place. Yahtzee takes the opportunity then to prime the cannons and fire on CAD because that really is the worst offender in his eyes, from what I've seen.

The general tone is one of "Alright Penny Arcade did it first, did it best, and now there are umpteen thousand idiots who want a piece of a pie that was baked, eaten, digested, and shat a long, long time ago. Then you bag on CAD because its fun, etc.

tl;dr You Are Wrong Because you are comparing two entirely different entities. There's Zero punctuation as a gaming review/editorial outlet, and then there's this, which I guarantee you he could never get away with sneaking by his corporate paymasters if not for the current title drought.

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Posted 04 July 2008 - 02:13 PM

I've been a reader of CAD for a while now, primarily out of habit. It was enjoyable in the beginning, but I have noticed it become stagnant. The really offensive thing is that he evolved his style from the early days to a point midway in 2003, I think - then from that point on, every character looks the same. Same eyes, same nose, same mouth. Same body shape. Same stance. Same everything. Then the jokes became the same. Then the text bubbles grew. You cannot defend CAD artistically as a comic because, quite honestly, there are so many that do it better. I pull up QC as an example of a four-panel comic featuring a regular cast that is better. Jeph is always talking in his newsposts about a new way of putting somebody's hair, or experimenting from time to time to seek improvement, or even correcting perceived mistakes with no criticism and apologising for laziness. Whereas Captain Copy/paste doesn't seem to have made any changes since four years ago.
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