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I hate this city and I hate elevators too

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 12:57 PM

Wow radu sounds like you had one of those days where fate decides to pile it on, I would have given the guy my watch or something though. tongue.gif
QUOTE (arien @ Jun 29 2008, 03:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So this baby, while still inside its mother, murdered his twin brother and STOLE HIS PENIS.

That is one badass baby.

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Posted 24 May 2008 - 04:03 AM

Dude, I'm fine with it if you want to change your story to make it better. The first time you told it, the technician was coming out to help you on his own time, and you promised to pay him, and in the end you gave him less money than what it cost him to come out to help you on his own time. Now the way you tell it, he was on the job, so it was company time. If that's the case, then you wouldn't actually have owed him any money at all.

I don't care that you hate the city. That's not the interesting part of the story. I also don't care that you figure people who give you a hard time are automatically bitches; sounds like she wasn't altogether sympathetic, and that alone makes her a bit of a write-off. I do hold that regardless of the size of the gap between the door and the elevator, it's a pretty stupid move to drop something down it. What are you doing with keys in your hand while leaping across a whale-sized gap anyhow? You sure can't blame the city for that! But getting back to it, the interesting part of the story was that you got a guy to come in on his own time, and you promised to pay him, and then you ripped him off. Now that you rewrite the story so he wasn't actually doing you a favour at all, I don't know what to believe. Maybe none of it happened in the first place.

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Posted 25 May 2008 - 03:13 AM

Sounds like a job for the building maintence engineer. I'm not sure if it's the job of the elevator installation company to retrieve stuff lost in the elevator shaft. If he came then I'm sure it was on his own time, therefore you definately ripped him off.

OR

The Elevator company, that installed the beast, would've probably gotten a contract for all the servicing of the equipment and would have charged the owners of the building every time they sent a guy on site. So if he did arrive, then the building owners must have payed for his service.

But probably not since it had nothing to do with servicablity of the equipment. The maintenece engineer would know how to enter the bottom shaft without aid of a elevator technician, so if he did come then he definately tossed you a bone.

PS-His company may have paid him for his time, and he then charged his time to administration work or something, so in the end either he was short changed or his company was.

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Posted 25 May 2008 - 08:44 AM

QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ May 24 2008, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dude, I'm fine with it if you want to change your story to make it better. The first time you told it, the technician was coming out to help you on his own time, and you promised to pay him, and in the end you gave him less money than what it cost him to come out to help you on his own time. Now the way you tell it, he was on the job, so it was company time. If that's the case, then you wouldn't actually have owed him any money at all.


Well, it IS possible that the guy who came to help me was actually on his day off, and he came to help me on his own free time, I just don't know. I was only saying that the elevator company was probably supposed to have someone (maybe him, or some coleague of him) on duty at that time, and either he came on his own time or not, I was kinda' being ripped off if you think about it.

I really don't want to change the story or care make myself look better, but the story is really about me having no place to sleep for the night, and no-one giving a damn (or a phone call) about it.

The fact that I only had 15$ worth of money on me, makes me (in your description) unworthy of being helped. You're starting to sound a lot like one of those people in that city I hated so much.


I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you read is not what I meant.
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Posted 25 May 2008 - 12:23 PM

Yeah, that's what I said, that you are worthless for only having $15. Another way to read it is that you offered a fellow money and then gave him less money than he might have expected. So, please feel free to misread things while you're rewiting your story.

I didn't read it that you were unable to find anyone to help you. The landlady of a building you couldn't even prove you had a right to be in didn't want to help you, and then later she did. I didn't read about anyone else not wanting to help you. The elevator guy came over immediately after the one phone call, the one where you offered him money. I missed the part about how it was actually everyone else'sfault that you dropped your keys down an elevatopr shaft in the first place, but then in the new version there was a gap as wide as the shaft in the Death Star. Good thing you had that cale on your belt.

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Posted 26 May 2008 - 01:42 AM

MY father got stuck in the lift in my building on sunday. He yelled out the phone number inside to me and they were over in 15-20 minutes...

I love my ci... well... my municipality.
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 03:21 PM

Hey, would you believe it... I was that techie... nah just yanking your chain.

But I like to think somewhere out there, that techie is on a forum somewhere giving his side of the story.
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 03:41 PM

Yeah and it's probably titled "I Hate This City, and I Hate Elevators Too."
"I had a lot of different ideas. At one point, Luke, Leia and Ben were all going to be little people, and we did screen tests to see if we could do that." -George Lucas, in STAR WARS: the Annotated Screenplays (p197).
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Posted 27 May 2008 - 04:08 AM

This city: Come for the gaping maws of our elevator shafts, stay for the extravagant pay.

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Posted 27 May 2008 - 04:23 AM

QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ May 25 2008, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, that's what I said, that you are worthless for only having $15. Another way to read it is that you offered a fellow money and then gave him less money than he might have expected.


Fine, take the story anyway you want it. The fact is that where I live, I can get a stranger from the street to help me, and he won't expect money for it. That makes it a nice place for me to live, and makes that city a bad one to.

QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ May 25 2008, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I didn't read it that you were unable to find anyone to help you. The landlady of a building you couldn't even prove you had a right to be in didn't want to help you, and then later she did.


No she didn't. She agreed to give me the phone number after a long argument. How is that helping in anyway?

You know, I've been lurking on this forum for a while civ, and I really came to respect your points of views on a lot of issues discussed on this forum. This time we seem to be so far appart on this one (opposite sides, really) that either you're yanking my chain, or one of us is misunderstanding a big part of this story.

What exactelly is the problem here? What would you have had me do? More importantly what would you have done ? (and no, not dropping the keys in the first place is not an acceptable answer).

I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you read is not what I meant.
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Posted 27 May 2008 - 12:59 PM

Radu, I would have asked the landlady to call the elevator repair company. I would have insisted it was an emergency. If she told me it was after their regular hours, and that according to their rules they would only dispatch someone if an actual person were trapped, I would acknowledge that my situation was outside the parameters. I would then have two choices: get a hotel (easy to find at 7pm), or bribe the dude to come in on his own time. If I did bribe the dude, I would calculate the time it took him, total, to travel to and from as well as to be there, add cab fare, and pay him at a rate of $40 per hour, which likely would have been cheaper than a cab. I would have noticed well before he arrived how much money I had on me; it would not have surprised me on the day, because having promised money, I would have checked my wallet immediately.

In the end I would acknowledge that I was a bonehead for dropping my keys down an elevator shaft, and I wouldn't wail that the city was no good. While there, I would take in some of the local prostitutes and maybe a show.

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Posted 28 May 2008 - 04:06 AM

QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ May 27 2008, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Radu, I would have asked the landlady to call the elevator repair company. I would have insisted it was an emergency.

Check. Did that.

QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ May 27 2008, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If she told me it was after their regular hours, and that according to their rules they would only dispatch someone if an actual person were trapped, I would acknowledge that my situation was outside the parameters.

Check .Diddo.

QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ May 27 2008, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would then have two choices: get a hotel (easy to find at 7pm), or bribe the dude to come in on his own time. If I did bribe the dude, I would calculate the time it took him, total, to travel to and from as well as to be there, add cab fare, and pay him at a rate of $40 per hour, which likely would have been cheaper than a cab. I would have noticed well before he arrived how much money I had on me; it would not have surprised me on the day, because having promised money, I would have checked my wallet immediately.

Ok,so didn't check my wallet. But that really woudn't have helped much unless there was an ATM machine nearby (which is unlikely).

QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ May 27 2008, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In the end I would acknowledge that I was a bonehead for dropping my keys down an elevator shaft, and I wouldn't wail that the city was no good.

You know what, I did that too. Still hating that city though....

QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ May 27 2008, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
While there, I would take in some of the local prostitutes and maybe a show.

Whit what? I already gave all my money to the elevator guy !!

I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you read is not what I meant.
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Posted 28 May 2008 - 10:10 AM

Maybe tell them your story and one of them will take pity on you... Wait... that sounds like the plot of a movie... Trading Places, right?

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Posted 28 May 2008 - 11:49 PM

Yeah, again, Radu, we weren't talking about what I'd do if I were you. We were talking about what I'd do in your situation. I never make an 8-hour drive with $15 in my pocket; I started carrying more money than that on trips when I started making trips. If I did have only $15 in my pocket, it would NEVER occur to me to offer money to a stranger for a cross-town favour. And I would ALWAYS check how much money I had when offering someone money. The only way I can imagine not checking is if I didn't really care to pay the guy.

Listen, I know you want to be the victim here, but you described the repair guy's effort as a favour, for which you offered money. If it was a service he was required to perform, then fine, tell the story another way. But if not, well there's your trouble. You always had the option of getting a hotel room (and yes, if I were in your situation I'd be able to afford that, too) or of sleeping in your car. Shortchanging the guy because you never checked how much money you had while you were actually offering money - well, that's no accident. That's a clear sign of habitual behaviour. You're a cheapskate and you like to throw blame around to other people when you mess up. Stop all that.

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Posted 29 May 2008 - 05:18 AM

Ow. Are you an elevator repair guy in your spare time civ? While your point about checking your wallet is well made (I do the same thing several times compulsively before I spend money on anything) you seem to have taken this more personally than someone who just read about it on the internet should.
QUOTE (arien @ Jun 29 2008, 03:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So this baby, while still inside its mother, murdered his twin brother and STOLE HIS PENIS.

That is one badass baby.

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