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#76 User is offline   Uszi Icon

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Posted 28 May 2008 - 09:33 AM

Who didn't get their asses handed to them in Vietnam?
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Posted 28 May 2008 - 06:43 PM

The Vietminh, perhaps?
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Posted 28 May 2008 - 08:27 PM

Supposedly the North Koreans were on the verge of collapse when we finally did pull out of Vietnam.

But then again that's what I learned in an American History class right here in the states.

Regardless, I'm sure the Vietnamese had the most ass handed to them, regardless of which side of the border they were on.
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Posted 29 May 2008 - 04:56 AM

QUOTE (McTalon @ May 29 2008, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually, the British High Command fucked up and sent many men, including my great granddad to the wrong beach. We did however get our asses handed to us through many other conflicts, Boer War, Vietnam etc due to political mismanagement

Thanks for the correction.
It's true though, we've had a lot of misses when it comes to war. And we still seem like we hvae one of the best armies in the world. Well, it does to me. Mostly because of the rediculous training our soldiers have to do.
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Posted 29 May 2008 - 02:59 PM

QUOTE (Patch @ May 29 2008, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks for the correction.
It's true though, we've had a lot of misses when it comes to war. And we still seem like we hvae one of the best armies in the world. Well, it does to me. Mostly because of the rediculous training our soldiers have to do.


"American soldiers never fight for the lulz."

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Posted 29 May 2008 - 08:34 PM


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Posted 29 May 2008 - 11:52 PM

Wow, I haven't visited these forums for so long, I've really got to...

Wait a minute. Not a thing has changed. Damn.

Well, see ya.
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Posted 30 May 2008 - 02:27 AM

QUOTE (zoozilla @ May 30 2008, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, I haven't visited these forums for so long, I've really got to...

Wait a minute. Not a thing has changed. Damn.

Well, see ya.

Hel- oh you're gone. Oh well.
Is that a new camera Adam, or was it just different lighting?
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Posted 30 May 2008 - 02:46 PM

QUOTE (Dr Lecter @ May 25 2008, 01:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The main problem though, is that David Cameron is a dick. I'm not saying that Brown isn't but atleast I'm pretty sure that the country isn't going to catch fire with him in charge. I'm suprized London has yet actually, its been 3 weeks since Boris Johnson became Mayor, and he's an even bigger dick than most other politicians combined.

So yeah... roll on new Conservative leader... Since I'll vote for Cameron over my dead body.


Not sure this is a valid political analysis - I mean, calling a politician a "dick" is fair enough, provided you back it up with a reason. You say "the country isn't going to catch fire with Brown in charge" - may I direct your attention to the cockups surrounding the 10p tax rate, the rising cost of fuel, and the spiralling economy, that he and the Labour Government seem pretty much entirely responsible for.

Boris a "bigger dick than most other politicians" - on what grounds? Because he outlined a clear set of ways he'd improve London by cracking down on crime, and tightening up the wastage of the taxpayer pound at City Hall? At pretty much the same time, Ken Livingstone's platform consisted almost entirely of mudslinging against Boris, who seems to be making inroads towards effecting some improvements around here.

Cameron hasn't really done much at all to warrant evaluating either way, but I think it's telling that the Tories in general completely trounced a lacklustre Labour in the Crewe & Nantwich by-election.

The age of Labour is over. The Labour party are collapsing in on themselves, because their backbenchers hate Brown, their senior members hate Brown, the Blairs and Prescott hate Brown, the working-class voters hate Brown, the middle-class voters hate Brown - pretty much the only person who doesn't hate Gordon Brown right now are his wife and an elite core of middle-class designer socialists.

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Posted 30 May 2008 - 07:41 PM

It's such a pity. Watching the Commons today is like watching Blair Vs Major ten years ago. Snotty Cameron and his Conservatives are getting in no matter what. Incidentally the fear of that was the basis of Labour's election campaigns these past five years. I still have a piece of propaganda material I'm saving for posterity - "HOWARD PM - if you don't vote Labour this WILL happen". That's exactly what it says. Screw them, I can vote for who I like. I hate these limited party systems, the idea that you can only vote for one or the other such party because that's who everyone else is voting for.
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Posted 31 May 2008 - 12:11 PM

Thatcher gave the Tories a negative cachet that they're still struggling to shake off, of being elitist and removed from the populace. Fair's fair, this is true. However the mistake Labour make is accusing the Tories of being toffs, while being toffs themselves. You don't get into politics easily unless you're schooled privately and go to a "good" university.
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Posted 31 May 2008 - 05:10 PM

Incidentally, the latest picture will be the last edition of Zero Commission, as I have quit my job as of today and no longer need to walk past that sign every night. Hope you enjoyed it, it was a wild ride.
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Posted 31 May 2008 - 07:16 PM

QUOTE (AdamM @ May 31 2008, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Incidentally, the latest picture will be the last edition of Zero Commission, as I have quit my job as of today and no longer need to walk past that sign every night. Hope you enjoyed it, it was a wild ride.

*is relegated to sobbing uselessly in a corner*

Why must you do this to me, Adam? Why? This was all I had in life!
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Posted 31 May 2008 - 09:51 PM

QUOTE (Patch @ May 25 2008, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Your first point is... burn.
I don't care if it's the United States of 'America'. I have my opinion that people shouldn't call it 'America' when it's the US of A. Call it the US for all you like, but saying 'America' annoys me. Haven't you seen the picture, you know, the one that says 'What USA thinks America is' and 'What the rest of the world think America is'. Still you're entitled to your views and I'm entitled to mine.


I'll say!


Because there is no other UNITED STATES OF AMERICA in north or south America. Though foreigners (myself included) have decided to call you all Yankees until you change your name to the more politically correct name of the "United States of America Excluding the Former Confederate States that are Officially in the Union but not Really" (USAEFCSOUR).

QUOTE (Uszi @ May 29 2008, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Supposedly the North Koreans were on the verge of collapse when we finally did pull out of Vietnam.

But then again that's what I learned in an American History class right here in the states.

Regardless, I'm sure the Vietnamese had the most ass handed to them, regardless of which side of the border they were on.


North Korea is always on the verge on collapse but I wont ever collapse because it is the closest thing we have to Oceania/Eurasia/Eastasia and we all know have effectively Big Brother can run a country.
"I felt insulted until I realized that the people trying to mock me were the same intellectual titans who claimed that people would be thrown out of skyscrapers and feudalism would be re-institutionalized if service cartels don't keep getting political favors and regulations are cut down to only a few thousand pages worth, that being able to take a walk in the park is worth driving your nation's economy into the ground, that sexual orientation is a choice that can be changed at a whim, that problems caused by having institutions can be solved by introducing more institutions or strengthening the existing ones that are causing the problems, and many more profound pearls of wisdom. I no longer feel insulted because I now feel grateful for being alive and witnessing such deep conclusions from my fellows."
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Posted 01 June 2008 - 08:16 AM

QUOTE (joshofalltrades @ May 22 2008, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that we print up money out of thin air anytime we feel the economy is in danger. Why back the economy with anything like a gold standard? It's much more fun to play with Monopoly money.

QUOTE (joshofalltrades @ May 23 2008, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's a cause for everything, AdamM, and the economy is no different.

Have you ever heard of the Federal Reserve? It pushes money (credit) that technically shouldn't exist into the hands of people who have no realistic prospect of paying it back. Basic economics (oversimplified just a bit) says that when you start injecting money into the economy and have nothing to back it, the price for everything goes up. That's called inflation, and on a small scale it's not a bad thing by itself, especially if the money injected into the system is going to the American people. Since the Fed is printing up money for big business and then the government is spending tax dollars on bailing those businesses out when they are about to go out of business, we're perpetuating a cycle of non-payment and inflation so that very little of the magic money that's being printed is ending up in the hands of Joe Taxpayer. What ends up happening is: prices go up, incomes stay down. That's how a recession starts.

Right, there's issues with economics all over the place here. For a start, the economy is not backed by a gold standard because it's impossible. If just America were backed by the gold standard, then fluctuations in the exchange rate would mean that the fixed American price of gold to dollars would change vastly compared to prices in the rest of the world. As a result, if the dollar became weak, all the gold would flow straight out of America as people sell their dollars for gold at the fixed rate, then sell that gold on the international market at the higher rate. Of course, you could try a world gold standard, but that was what caused the great depression, attempts to adhere to a standard that was ultimately restrictive and recessionary.

Now, as for your point on monetary policy (which is what the Federal Reserve is doing), it's one of the most useful tools a government has. True, injecting money into the economy raises the price level, but it also leads to a fall in the interest rate (through the theory of liquidity preference), and thusly, as described by the IS-LM model, an increase in output, and therefore GDP. Yes, used wrongly it can lead to inflation, but the Fed has generally done a good job of controlling inflation, and if inflation gets too high, they just lower the money supply and the economy shifts back in the opposite direction. Sure, this is a theoretical viewpoint, but it applies very well to the real world - the money printed tends to be used to fund government spending, a key component of output, and the expenditure will then have a multiplier effect as it trickles through the economy. If they go overboard, then excessive inflation is the result, but there's no clear signs that they've been doing that - American inflation is generally similar to that of most of Europe. The main reason for the weak dollar, in my opinion, has been American inability to deal with competition from the Far East, which has led to American exports falling vastly, and imports increasing. Ultimately, this will lead to the dollar weakening. The dollar could be kept strong by boosting the interest rate, lowering the money supply and deflating the economy, but this ultimately leads to recession, and was the inadvisable course of action that led to the Great Depression being such a problem. A strong dollar is not a 'goal'. A healthy economy is a goal.

Sorry, I just studied half this stuff for my Economics BSc, hence the lengthy post. I really should be revising.
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