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#31 User is offline   goaticus Icon

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 10:07 AM

Due to the massive amount of hugely large posts, I'll just ignore them all and go ahead and say this is the worst review Yahtzee has done yet.

1. Yahtzee usually praises a game for being different, but not in this case. Unlike usual fighter games, Smash Bros is a completely different franchise from the rest of them out there.

2. Button mashing is great in smash, except when you figure out where the block button is and push "a" while blocking to grab. Maybe you should of shared that "How to play" manual Yahtzee. You cannot button mash in Smash against someone who doesn't, you'll lose. Also, if you button mash over the edge you die. Saying this game is bad because you and your twat friends didn't bother learning how to play it, is pretty goddamn stupid.

3. Yahtzee had a very large lacking knowledge of how to unlock characters, usually bragging about how he knows how to use gamefaqs, this wasn't the case again for this review.

4. The point of Brawl was to reuse trademark characters. Complaining about that's just shallow. Running out of material to stretch our your reviews?

I'm kind of puzzled as why Yahtzee reviewed this game. Almost everyone who has owned a past Nintendo console loved Smash, and a large majority of Xbox and Playstation nerds love the game aswell. If you wanted to get rid of your fanbase, I'm sure there are better methods to go about it. Don't let my negativity try and convince you I haven't been a loyal Yahtzee fan for years, but good grief this is just terrible. Sadly this post has dragged out too long and I don't want to be associated with the rest of the silly SSBB fans in this thread so I'll just end it by saying

Raise your standards a little higher Yahtzee.
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 10:10 AM

First of all, about your age quip, I'm a pure mathematics major in university. Figure out my age from there.
Second, i wasn't referring to you with my experience in fighting games, (but it does seem like it applies.)
Third, I'm not a console fanboy. I am a open-gamer, with my primary platform as woodix. If you don't know what that is, (you should be able to guess), go back to your point and drool interface.
Fourth, my gaming experience. My collection of NES games spans 400 titles alone, and my complete collection spans well over 2500 physical games.
Of emulated and computer games, most being free to obtain, my collection is much larger. Of oldschool games, I own an amiga, a C64, an apple II, seven different ataris, a wondercom . . .
If you wish to have a pissing contest about gaming experience, I can match you. My uncles are all pretty tech-savy guys and as such, i had a blessed part of my childhood where nothing was lacking.

Onto the meat of your post.
Punch combos.
I only need to smash once. That once is when you are highly damaged, and one throws you off the stage. Until then, i only need to keep in control of the fight, which is easy enough.
Also, regarding what you believe to be classic fighting games . . . . no. just . . . no. The over popularized stuff always changes from the actual genre because it needs to attract less hardcore fans. If you want real fighting games, search the nets for some open source stuff. I guarantee you that you'll be able to find at least one that you consider absolutely impossible from the very first level. (and when you do, i'll be glad to try and show you how its done. But there are games out there that i can't beat either.)

And onto the last bit of your post.
I've found that every single move in the game is useful, somehow. If you don't find a move useful, then you haven't tried hard enough, aren't creative enough, etc. (of course, this excludes "fun" moves like, say, taunting the enemy.) Seriously, kirbys rock falling move is one of the most broken moves in the game, used properly. Recall, for instance, that he can't be hit while in the morph, (for a few hits until he breaks), and falls faster. Immediately you can use this for travel. But the speed of entering the attack is the real winner. The most commonly used combo is to drill-kick into the opponent near the ground, then immediately rock morph and slam him to the other side of the stage.


If there's something worse than an absolute idiot, it is someone who makes blind and certain assumptions with minimal data, allowing for no leeway, and does not respect anyone he argues against enough to even give their arguments weight against untested area. Let alone when said area is perfectly real and can be easily tested for the presence of truth or reasonable doubt.

Btw, this is worth considering in any argument you enter. I always consider that I may be under such an illusion myself, as it usually allows me to take my opponents arguments in perspective.
http://en.wikipedia....g-Kruger_effect
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 10:22 AM

QUOTE (FFreak3 @ Apr 24 2008, 10:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Load of bullshit

Ok sir, may I please have a photograph of you and your huge game collection? Failure to provide it WILL result in proving that all you speak of is bullshit. Please, do NOT answer anymore. Don't try to sound smart anymore, you're awful at it, just give me a picture, and I'll believe you.
PS: Im a Systems Engineer (that's like Computer Science mayor in the US; but I couldn't be sure) since the age of 21. The youngest graduate in my group was 19, so for all I know, you could be a 16 year old genius that graduated at 13. Not the first, not the last.

For all the rest: Yahtzee was DRUNK when he played the game, he doens't like fighting games AND he gives a hoot about the multiplayer option on most games, that's like EVERYTHING against the game (if you didn't like the review). Get over it, he just can't like everything.
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 10:39 AM

1. i don't give a shit about Yahtzee's review. I had this opinion before i watched his review.
2. Even if i'm a 16 year old genius . . . i'm a 16 year old genius
3. Go to the trouble of a photograph for an internet argument? On an unrelated and disgressable topic?
You easily prove (or disprove) my arguments to yourself if you even tried. This argument isn't one of belief, for heck's sakes, you can go and test this shit. As a uni graduate, you should be familiar with formal logic, right? Proving or disproving whether I have so many games says nothing about the other areas of the argument. That should be obvious without training. When I put out claims that can be tested, against opinions and undefined arguments, that requires proof on your side, (to imply a different logical system is necessary than the one i suggest), not mine. My argument is a logical exposition beginning on points that even you agreed with, with very few leaps in the structure. (very few base assumptions, and many corollaries). And the proof, is readily available for testing.

If you care to mention quirks in the system that are available for testing that would render my methods unable, then do mention them, good sir.

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 10:52 AM

QUOTE (FFreak3 @ Apr 24 2008, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1. i don't give a shit about Yahtzee's review. I had this opinion before i watched his review.

I was talking to goaticus for the second comment.

QUOTE (FFreak3 @ Apr 24 2008, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2. Even if i'm a 16 year old genius . . . i'm a 16 year old genius

My point was that you're 16. Genius doesn't make you wiser.

QUOTE (FFreak3 @ Apr 24 2008, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
3. Go to the trouble of a photograph for an internet argument? On an unrelated and disgressable topic? More bullshit

Where's the photograph dude? Sound as "smart" as you want, unless you show me that picture of your 400+ games or accept it was a mere lie, your comments are as empty as Dracula's Soul.
Oh, and just saying "logic" as in any cartoon, doesn't give sense to your arguments. I will now NOT answer a single post from you until you post that photo, or accept you are simply making stuff up.
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 10:53 AM

I'm sorry. Are any of you lot internet celebs being paid money to voice you're opinons on a subject you clearly are all experts on?

No? Well shut up then!
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 10:54 AM

Does anyone else wish to pick up Corronchilejano's argument? He seems to be a sore loser and is now focusing on unrelated details to salvage his pride.

edit: @el presidente: but . . . it's so much fun to piss of people who have the competence of yorkshire pudding!

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#38 User is offline   Corronchilejano Icon

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 11:03 AM

QUOTE (El Presedente @ Apr 24 2008, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm sorry. Are any of you lot internet celebs being paid money to voice you're opinons on a subject you clearly are all experts on?

No? Well shut up then!

Well, it IS a forum and there are basically no opinions whatsoever. I thought this would be around 4 or 5 pages long with intricate details. People get bored.
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 12:45 PM






My Let's Play of I Wanna Be The Guy! Do you have the balls?

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 01:03 PM

I didn't think this ZP was very good at all. It had a lack of genuine criticism usually found in his games, though some of it was apt (advertising Snake and Sonic and making people play the game rabidly to unlock them was definitely a really dumb decision), it did not have very snappy nonsensical and profane analogies. As a few people have said, his heart was just not in it and the ZP suffered for it.

I'm not even going to get into the entire rest of the nonsense in this thread except to say ugh.
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 01:48 PM

Re: Xkcd:
My EEE rodent ball isn't even finished yet and it died. sad.gif Someone more competent at engineering will no doubt have one ready within the week, though.

@Slade:
Garfield without garfield's speech bubbles is hilarious. How long has that been your signature?

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#42 User is offline   Corronchilejano Icon

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 02:41 PM

Someone mentioned this sole review already has more comments on it than the last three on The Escapist. Lot's of cheering/pissed people all over the place.
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 02:55 PM

I wonder how many button mashing arguments were started?
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 03:04 PM

Eighteen pages of button mashing arguments, coupled with how this isn't a competitive fighter and a little (surprisingly little) of how much kiddie the game is compared to real fighters.
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 03:33 PM

As a big Smash Bros fan this may be a biased opinion, but I think this review maybe wasn't up to par; mostly due to Yahtzee's reluctancy to review the game. There were some good points, like how the story mode is repetitive as fuck, but he was sort of reviewing from an objective standpoint. I think if he had gone into Brawl having played Melee before it, he would have enjoyed it more but had different complaints.
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