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Unique Heroes & Memorable Villains What makes a really great character?

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 05:53 AM

The only anime character I've really liked was Porco Rosso, he smoked he drank and he was a womaniser but he really rocked. The fact he was such a cynical and flawed person just made him much better I think.
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So this baby, while still inside its mother, murdered his twin brother and STOLE HIS PENIS.

That is one badass baby.

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 11:50 AM

Columbo remains a great hero character in my book. He is not very good looking, not highly active, but he can sure as hell make a criminal eat his/her own ass*.


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Posted 16 March 2008 - 02:16 PM

For my pick, I'd have to say Delacroix, the villain from chaos legion.
he was probably the coolest looking villains since virgil, what with the ebony sword materialization and blue tie...
he was also probably the most under-developed villain ever. The game designers could have SO demonstrated his prolonged fit of madness, showing all the gory details of his minions' creation, maybe him having conversations with the Demon without realizing it (and hearing siela's voice in his head...)
on that note, chaos legion had massive unrealized potential. It was very neat to see iron used for everything, instead of wood/mortar.

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 10:00 PM

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And about the whole "bondage queen" stuff, yes, its getting rather silly.


Hey, who's your favorite female character? Hero or villain?
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Posted 16 March 2008 - 10:47 PM

QUOTE (Game Over @ Mar 16 2008, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Columbo remains a great hero character in my book. He is not very good looking, not highly active, but he can sure as hell make a criminal eat his/her own ass*.


* Zero Punctuation SH:O reference.


Columbo kinda makes me think of the Doctor in Doctor Who. Not the Doctors who were wildly out there or cranky like Six or Three, but the ones who played dumb to let the enemy get overconfident.

Not that I ever saw it, mind you, just by reputation. That kind of character, the bumbling idiot who is oddly competent, can be really good when it's done right.

My personal favorite example is, going back to anime, "Irresponsible Captain Tyler," mostly because it never tells you for sure. Even at the end of the show you don't know whether the captain is really lucky or if he ACTUALLY knew what he was doing the whole time...
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Posted 16 March 2008 - 11:05 PM

QUOTE (Casual @ Mar 16 2008, 05:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The only anime character I've really liked was Porco Rosso, he smoked he drank and he was a womaniser but he really rocked. The fact he was such a cynical and flawed person just made him much better I think.


I still haven't seen Porco Rosso so I just know it by reputation as a fictionalized autobiography of Miazaki himself... Porco Rosso was supposedly the closest that director has ever gotten to a direct Surrogate Character in any of his films.

Miazaki does characters well. I just saw his first feature film, the Lupin one, and while it's not really Lupin as I know the character it's still one of the best adventure movies I've ever seen.
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Posted 17 March 2008 - 03:27 AM

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I still haven't seen Porco Rosso so I just know it by reputation as a fictionalized autobiography of Miazaki himself.


Watch it you won’t regret it.

I know this is going to get me some stick because of all the emo worship he gets but if we're talking about kick arse villains Sepheroth deserves a mention. He still comes out at the top of most all time videogame baddie lists and holds the honour of being the least feminine FF bad guy ever. He just pulled off the calm psychotic thing really well.

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So this baby, while still inside its mother, murdered his twin brother and STOLE HIS PENIS.

That is one badass baby.

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 11:45 AM

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He still comes out at the top of most all time videogame baddie lists and holds the honour of being the least feminine FF bad guy ever.

Really? I'm not exactly up to date with the newest villains in the FF series (read: everything after IX), but I'd say that Kefka definitely was the manliest gay I've ever seen gettin' busy with wreckin' the world.

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 11:47 AM

Sephrioth is a total badass, but fan girls and Goths and Emos just turned him into a shitty hero of sorts. People like Sephrioth Slave and shit make him out to be the strong silent type but a very passionate person, it's just so much shit that the character has been completely transformed from what FFVII made him out to be.

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 12:40 PM

QUOTE (Ghello @ Mar 17 2008, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
People like Sephrioth Slave and shit make him out to be the strong silent type but a very passionate person, it's just so much shit that the character has been completely transformed from what FFVII made him out to be.

An overreacting mama's boy? Ah well, at least he had some good scenes within the burning Nibelheim and Advent Children...

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 01:07 PM

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Hey, who's your favorite female character? Hero or villain?


A female character who is confident, doesn't jump into conclusions in a sec, isn't sarcastic, doesn't have weird eyes, knows who the president of Uganda is, wouldn't cry a river, wouldn't expose her ass and tits too much, wouldn't transform into some sort of a super powered animal, wouldn't clap her hands together and speak of distant kingdoms and a handsome prince, wouldn't act like a dog or a cat, doesn't sound like a squirrel, doesn't have a magnet in her boobs for unwanted attraction and etc.

A female villain shouldn't be a lipstick middle aged lady with a giant cane who sounds like a dead sheep. She should be an average woman who wouldn't be suspected of being a baddy at first, but then roundhouse you on the knees and break your face. No up skirts, no bikinis, no thongs, no stupid goat style hee-haws, no cliches and most importantly no slashes or magic wands.

You know what? I think a bald and attractive female villain might do the trick.
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Posted 17 March 2008 - 01:10 PM

I never liked sephiroth. He was poorly named (after all, sure god was once upon a time big on fire, but...well it wasn't misguided fire, you know? it had a point. sephiroth was just a lost arsehole who shot up a bit too much jenova one day, and then snapped a while later).
Well, then again I actually couldn't stand ANY of the characters in that game, with the exception being elena of course. and maybe rufus. The characters just weren't..human, I guess. the only one that reacted even somewhat normally was cloud, and even then his distinct lack of communicative ability may have been a sign of border-line down syndrome.
christ I hated those characters. I cant really put my finger on an exact reason, really. maybe I just want to hate the game on principal, or maybe I feel I could write better lines.
Or maybe my heart is two sizes too small.
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Posted 17 March 2008 - 01:11 PM

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A female character who is confident, doesn't jump into conclusions in a sec-

- aaaaaaand that's where we're already entering the realm of pure fiction. biggrin.gif

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 03:01 PM

I can't believe no one thought of this sooner but the metal gear solid series is a treasure trove of awesome bad guys, in fact you could probably make a whole separate topic just for them. Liquid Snake for one was an incredible bad guy. Damn I wish they would make a film about that game.
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Posted 17 March 2008 - 03:47 PM

QUOTE (Casual @ Mar 17 2008, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can't believe no one thought of this sooner but the metal gear solid series is a treasure trove of awesome bad guys, in fact you could probably make a whole separate topic just for them. Liquid Snake for one was an incredible bad guy. Damn I wish they would make a film about that game.


Hey, that's a good idea. biggrin.gif

And be careful what you wish for: Uwe Boll already tried to get the rights to an MGS movie, but Kojima stomped all over him. Some think it's because Kojima wants to direct an MGS movie himself (he studied cinema in australia during his college years) but that's not a certainty.
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