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Posted 15 February 2008 - 04:22 AM

QUOTE (Otal Nimrodi @ Feb 15 2008, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Might end up homeless, which is a pretty bad result as well. Particularly as, if I remember what you said correctly, we should be giving the unemployed three months to get a job or be sent to war.


Or be sent to a communal farm or mine if there is no war.

QUOTE (Spoon Poetic @ Feb 15 2008, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So are you admitting here that you're just using the terms as blanket generalizations for things you don't like? Sounds like you are.


I was talking about why small minded cattle find the title of ‘communist’ and ‘fascist’ as an insult but don’t find ‘democrat’ as an insult. Democrat as in a person who believes in democracy, not whatever you Americans think that means.

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Ah I see. A government that opposes dissent (cuz no, you can never destroy it) is fascist. Once again every government ever is fascist.




QUOTE (J m HofMarN @ Feb 15 2008, 05:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's nice to know. Anyhow my point was to get your feelings on the US governments asertion that they are fascists adn that we must thusly kill them like fascists. Cuz if you want to continue spouting this fascist rubbish you might as well go all the way and follow that logic through to its obvious conclusion.


Why must you kill fascists in their own country? I never endorsed America’s drunken bombardment and occupation of Afghanistan but I will be damned if someone says that the Taliban are not fascists. Accept that, I don’t mean it as an insult, it’s a title. Get the fuck over it.

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 05:03 AM

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Or be sent to a communal farm or mine if there is no war.


Communalist.

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I was talking about why small minded cattle find the title of ‘communist’ and ‘fascist’ as an insult but don’t find ‘democrat’ as an insult. Democrat as in a person who believes in democracy, not whatever you Americans think that means.


If only small minded cattle find the term fascist to be an insult... Moo, baby. Youre quite clearly using it knowing its connotations and then trying to say some nonsense about using it only as a lable. Once again I ask if you're familiar with Rossiter's spectrum, since you seem to lump political groups into 3 or 4 categories only.

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I will be damned if someone says that the Taliban are not fascists.


The Taliban are not fascists.

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Accept that, I don’t mean it as an insult, it’s a title


Ok then you wont mind me calling you a fascist since you argue against those with dissenting opinions (JUST LIKE FASCISTS OMG!)

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 05:22 AM

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Communalist.


I cannot tell a lie. I hold some communalist ideals but I am not a communalist. An economy cannot survive on communal farming and mining alone!

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If only small minded cattle find the term fascist to be an insult... Moo, baby. Youre quite clearly using it knowing its connotations and then trying to say some nonsense about using it only as a lable. Once again I ask if you're familiar with Rossiter's spectrum, since you seem to lump political groups into 3 or 4 categories only.


Specifically, they are clerical fascists. Generally, there are only about 10 to 20 different types of governments depending on how you define ‘different’.

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Ok then you wont mind me calling you a fascist since you argue against those with dissenting opinions (JUST LIKE FASCISTS OMG!)


I have dissenting opinions so your argument is invalid.
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Posted 15 February 2008 - 07:48 AM

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Ah I see. A government that opposes dissent (cuz no, you can never destroy it) is fascist. Once again every government ever is fascist.




http://encarta.msn.c...y_/Fascism.html

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dictatorial movement: any movement, ideology, or attitude that favors dictatorial government, centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all opposition, and extreme nationalism

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 08:18 AM

A key component of fascism is the subjugation of the individual in favor of furthering the state, as I've said before. Just because a totalitarian government uses nationalism and represses dissent, it's only fascist if it attempts to negate individuality. Otherwise, it's some other form of government that is equally tyrannical.

The WTF panda: Snake, here's what you said, according to JM in the post he quoted:
A fascist government is one that opposes dissent.
JM then proposed that since every government opposes dissent (because they all wish to perpetuate themselves for whatever reason), using your previous statement, every government is fascist.

If you meant something else, you just weren't clear in your description of your personal criteria for what constitutes fascism in that post JM was basing his claim off of. I don't have the time or patience to compile all of your criteria in previous posts concerning the subject to defend you, and I'm not attacking you, just explaining what JM was talking about. Though technically, you said "destroys" dissent, not "opposes," so JM wasn't correct in his wording.

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 05:58 PM

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The WTF panda: Snake, here's what you said, according to JM in the post he quoted:
A fascist government is one that opposes dissent.
JM then proposed that since every government opposes dissent (because they all wish to perpetuate themselves for whatever reason), using your previous statement, every government is fascist.

If you meant something else, you just weren't clear in your description of your personal criteria for what constitutes fascism in that post JM was basing his claim off of. I don't have the time or patience to compile all of your criteria in previous posts concerning the subject to defend you, and I'm not attacking you, just explaining what JM was talking about. Though technically, you said "destroys" dissent, not "opposes," so JM wasn't correct in his wording.


He is trying to make it seem that I said that the Taliban are fascists BECAUSE they have destroyed, or attempted to destroy, dissent. But their subjection to the state, their rightwing ideals, their policy on strict social and economic control and their hatred for communism makes them fascists, among other things.
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Posted 16 February 2008 - 03:20 AM

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He is trying to make it seem that I said that the Taliban are fascists BECAUSE they have destroyed, or attempted to destroy, dissent. But their subjection to the state, their rightwing ideals, their policy on strict social and economic control and their hatred for communism makes them fascists, among other things.


do you have any evidence of their strict economic control or planning? Blowing up places that might have something to do with the economy does not economic control make. Also, they hated communism because communists invaded their country. Fascism is a reaction to the threat of communism, not actual communist invasion. Also subjecting (I think you mean subjugating) people to the state is something that all governments do. You're being horribly general and just putting together unrelated things to try to thatch them into fascism.

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 04:45 AM

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do you have any evidence of their strict economic control or planning? Blowing up places that might have something to do with the economy does not economic control make. Also, they hated communism because communists invaded their country. Fascism is a reaction to the threat of communism, not actual communist invasion. Also subjecting (I think you mean subjugating) people to the state is something that all governments do. You're being horribly general and just putting together unrelated things to try to thatch them into fascism.


If you actually did some research, you would know that there was a communist revolution in Afghanistan was in no way instigated by the USSR. The only reason the Taliban were able to instigate a war in Afghanistan was because they were funded and led by Pakistanis, Americans and other foreigners. They are the occupiers and the invaders. They are Sunnis controlling a Shiite country for fucks sake! And the Taliban did commit genocides against people. The Buddhist temples are but the tip of the iceberg. Why don’t you support the Northern Alliance rebellion instead of these western stooges? I guess you’re one of those people who believes America should be allowed to do what it pleases with certain countries ‘cuz day no good kommies’. I cant stand you people. Go to Vietnam and see what you’re country has done there. You people make me sick.

Clerical fascists. I don’t care what the hell you believe, that’s what they are.

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 01:18 PM

Thats a nice little history there. Anyhow can you show any evidence of their strict economic planning? Also, it may be news to you, but defending a group from misnomers does not equal open support for them, and at the moment I really dont think its fair to call the Taliban western stooges. Though you're right, they were at one point in time.

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 04:43 PM

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Who is "you people"? I know it can't be me, because I wasn't alive during the seventies, so I'm not responsible for the Vietnam War in any way; and JM doesn't exactly sound like the sort of guy who would have supported the war, unless I'm terribly mistaken. So, who are you referring to?
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Posted 16 February 2008 - 07:04 PM

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Thats a nice little history there. Anyhow can you show any evidence of their strict economic planning?


Alright.

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The Taliban have imposed a string of social, cultural and economic restrictions on the population since they captured Kabul on 27 September 1996.


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Also, it may be news to you, but defending a group from misnomers does not equal open support for them, and at the moment I really dont think its fair to call the Taliban western stooges. Though you're right, they were at one point in time.


The Taliban were created by the west. If it wasn’t for America, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, the Taliban would have never got off the ground.

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Who is "you people"? I know it can't be me, because I wasn't alive during the seventies, so I'm not responsible for the Vietnam War in any way; and JM doesn't exactly sound like the sort of guy who would have supported the war, unless I'm terribly mistaken. So, who are you referring to?


Why would he support western stooges in Afghanistan? If he supports western stooges in one part of the world then he probably supports western stooges in another part like Indochina.
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Posted 16 February 2008 - 10:46 PM

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Why would he support western stooges in Afghanistan?


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It helps to read the fine print.
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Posted 16 February 2008 - 11:13 PM

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It helps to read the fine print.


Well he assumed that because I called them clerical fascists, that I was a supporter of Bush and have something against an organization that has nothing to do with me. I am just playing by his rules.
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Posted 17 February 2008 - 12:03 AM

Such a mature way to argue, eh? "Yeah, well, he started it!" What are we, twelve years old?

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Posted 17 February 2008 - 12:03 AM

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Why would he support western stooges in Afghanistan? If he supports western stooges in one part of the world then he probably supports western stooges in another part like Indochina.


Well, I'd expect you'd have to ask HIM what he supports, be they legitimate governments, stooges, or Marx brothers (if you'll pardon the pun)

QUOTE (Snake Logan @ Feb 16 2008, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well he assumed that because I called them clerical fascists, that I was a supporter of Bush and have something against an organization that has nothing to do with me. I am just playing by his rules.


Wait a minute... That doesn't make much sense. Because he made a logical fallacy, you're making one too? So you're intentionally weakening your point? That doesn't seem like a good idea...
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