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Posted 06 February 2008 - 08:59 AM

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The analogy would be better if you replaced the machete and Uzi ammo with food and water. The Japanese didn’t throw oil on their enemies to kill them, they used the oil for planes, ships and APC‘s


Which dropped bombs, fired shells, and carried armed men to the front lines, respectively.

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Let me tell you how it went. America and the Netherlands provide Japan with almost all their oil. Suddenly, out of nowhere, America and the Allies put a trade embargo on Japan. Japanese leaders think that they will run out of oil in about a month’s time. Japanese leaders get desperate. Japanese leaders attack America and the Allies and then join the Axis. Allied and American soldiers are caught off guard. Without adequate supplies, they are either killed or sent to concentration camps. Allied civilians suffer similar fate. Areas in China that were under control of Allied nations and housed hundreds of thousands of Chinese refugees are now under Japanese control.


This explains why they did it, but by no means does it justify their actions. They could have been diplomatic and said pretty please, or, perhaps, gone a step further and stopped being imperialistic scumbags, but instead chose to launch a surprise attack. Yet again: traffic accident, flip the bird, guy with gun overreacts and starts shooting; not your fault, you didn't force his hand.
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Posted 06 February 2008 - 10:32 AM

Also, the Japanese were already planning most of those attacks. They didn't actually attack for the sole purpose of getting some more oil. Read up on your history. Hell, even Wikipedia will tell you this.
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Posted 06 February 2008 - 02:41 PM

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The last word is confusing me. Are you being sarcastic or are you actually against national pride?


Yes because I am against the tenets of National Socialism I am clearly against national pride.

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When fascists get desperate, they employ less then honourable tactics, like Islamic Fascists tend to do.


That statement goes for FUCK ANYONE. You cant just say that because communists were willing to mount suicide attacks against marines in Vietnam, and "terrorists" mount suicide attacks that they should be called "Islamic Viet Cong"

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I remind you that many Fascist dictators during WW2 used the local religion for their own means, much like the Fascists in the Middle East use Islam and Arab nationalism for their own means.


So a fascist is anyone who will do bad things when desperate and will appeal to religion or nationalism?

Ok. Great. Every leader on the face of the earth is a fascist.

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Though in the other thread you did claim they did so for the sake of nationhood, I am sure you have come to seeing the conflict my way.


I made the religious claim so you would stop yammering about this fascist nonsense. The term is just the height of Bush produced idiocy and for someone who doesnt claim to share his goals you use that term a lot. Now why do I seperate the kind of nationalism in Afghanistan from the kind of nationalism in, say, Germany in 1939? Because Afghan nationalism in for the defense of their country while German nationalism was geared towards spreading domination. And yes religion is involved too, there are a lot of factors. But none of them have a damned thing to do with Hitler.

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Bush calls them Islamo Fascists or some such nonsense. They are not. Those who blow themselves up are strict to the code of Islam. They are Clerical Fascists and more specifically they are Islamic Fascists.


... My brain fails to process whatever your meaning is, the idea that two letters make your nonsensical all encompassing lable better than President Bush's equally nonsensical and all encompassing label simply does not compute. So I'll say this:

You're a Snake Loganic Fascist.

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So Cuba or Iran or North Korea could lob a few cruise missiles at us and it would be kosher with you?

If by ‘us’ you mean America then yes. Americans need to be taught a lesson. 9/11 obviously didn’t teach them anything. Americans still believe they are the world’s police.


And the massive nuclear holocaust/invasion that would follow, that would be just peachy too? Its good to know though that you have figured out the way to solve the Cuban embargo problem. It's a mindless and unworkable way, but you get a gold star for effort.

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This is perhaps one of your greatest logical fallacies. Japan NEEDED oil to make war. We took some of it away. And you claim that because of this their war effort was expanded?

Some of it? America took all of it.


All their oil are belong to us...

Wait a second, what were their planes, boats and tanks running on then? Japanic Fascist magic?

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I believe that Japan needed to be contained but that America should have built up a proper military beforehand and not allowed Japan to take so much and turn so many places into battlefields.


First of all, how the fuck do you prepare for a world fucking war? I mean unless youre the group intending to start it theres not much you can do. And if America had started to militarize too rapidly (we were, contrary to what you seem to believe, ramping up production and training and development) Japan would have noticed and nailed us anyhow and the only difference is they would have run their bombers with American fuel.

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and not allowed Japan to take so much and turn so many places into battlefields


... Sorry for letting Japan invade places. Next time we'll take steps to slow them down like, GIVING THEM ALL THE FUCK OIL THEY WANT. That'll stop em! But why stop there? We could lease out American ships to give them rides all around the pacific so they could relax and forget about war. Send them to vacation in nice spots like Hawaii, Alaska, Australia, etc.

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 05:37 AM

Have people here always made posts that are 10 miles long or is it a recent thing? Am I the only one here who cant be bothered trawling through that much text to get the 2 or 3 valid points it contains?
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Posted 07 February 2008 - 06:48 AM

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 10:20 AM

Considering the point of a debate is to prove a point with facts and arguments and stuff, you kinda have to have long-winded posts to get anywhere.
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Posted 07 February 2008 - 11:25 AM

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 12:00 PM

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 02:46 PM

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First off you're comparing simple national pride with extreme nationalism and delusion, and there's a big difference. Hitler and his ilk believed that Germany was superior to everyone else, enough to constitute mass invasions and genocide. Hitler had his people believing that no other state was worthy of existence unless under German rule. Second he wasn't even talking about pride, you just jumped upon any word you could find to oppose. You would make a great biased news reporter.


Extreme nationalism and delusion? Where do you draw the line between national pride and patriotism to fascism and extreme nationalism?

QUOTE (?!! @ Feb 6 2008, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yep. That's the reason that we got into this war. Bases. Not liberation, not a proposed threat, not oil, as some say. We just want to have the secure feeling of knowing we have got everyone covered.


Answer me why America still has bases in Germany and Japan.

QUOTE (?!! @ Feb 6 2008, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Please. We're plenty influential already. I doubt even Bush would have started a war that caused a huge disapproval of him and weakened his control in the white house and cost hundreds of billions of dollars just so we could have bases on other countries.


Think about this. America gives weapons to bad guys. American weapon companies profit. After a while America goes after those bad guys with violence. American weapon companies profit.

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As an American, I find it insulting that you think the killing of thousands of innocent people is what should happen to fulfill your desire to see America weaker than it is.. We just happen to be a very powerful country, and we have no plans to dominate the world or invade countries just so we could control them. Your lack of respect for the lives of human beings is, if I may say so, despicable.


I think Americans should be taught a lesson. Vietnam, Iraq, Somalia, Yugoslavia and Iraq 2 has done nothing to make Americans smarter. If anything, it has just shown how simple and easily fooled they are.

And I don’t want to see a weaker America. I want to see a less belligerent America. Fuck me if Americans haven’t invaded 4 countries on 4 separate occasions in the past 15 years. How many has the Axis of Evil invaded in those 15 years?

QUOTE (?!! @ Feb 6 2008, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, let me get this straight here. So as not to provoke a country into war, a reasonable alternative to placing an embargo is... to prepare for war?


To be prepared for war.

QUOTE (?!! @ Feb 6 2008, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And they used those for...


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Posted 07 February 2008 - 03:06 PM

QUOTE (J m HofMarN @ Feb 7 2008, 06:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes because I am against the tenets of National Socialism I am clearly against national pride.


That’s the word you used.

QUOTE (J m HofMarN @ Feb 7 2008, 06:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That statement goes for FUCK ANYONE. You cant just say that because communists were willing to mount suicide attacks against marines in Vietnam, and "terrorists" mount suicide attacks that they should be called "Islamic Viet Cong"


But I am right. Fascists get desperate and then they do desperate things. You asked me why Islamic Fascists blow themselves up then I ask you why the Nazis used child soldiers.

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I made the religious claim so you would stop yammering about this fascist nonsense. The term is just the height of Bush produced idiocy and for someone who doesnt claim to share his goals you use that term a lot. Now why do I seperate the kind of nationalism in Afghanistan from the kind of nationalism in, say, Germany in 1939? Because Afghan nationalism in for the defense of their country while German nationalism was geared towards spreading domination. And yes religion is involved too, there are a lot of factors. But none of them have a damned thing to do with Hitler.


I was thinking more like Germany or Japan in 1945.

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So a fascist is anyone who will do bad things when desperate and will appeal to religion or nationalism?

Ok. Great. Every leader on the face of the earth is a fascist.


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... My brain fails to process whatever your meaning is, the idea that two letters make your nonsensical all encompassing lable better than President Bush's equally nonsensical and all encompassing label simply does not compute. So I'll say this:

You're a Snake Loganic Fascist.


Fascists believe in authoritarian ideals, they believe in a very strictly controlled economy and to limit personal freedom as much as possible. Islamic Fascists believe in authoritarian ideals, they believe in a very strictly controlled economy and to limit personal freedom as much as possible.

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And the massive nuclear holocaust/invasion that would follow, that would be just peachy too? Its good to know though that you have figured out the way to solve the Cuban embargo problem. It's a mindless and unworkable way, but you get a gold star for effort.


I never said it was good for Cuba/Iran/North Korea get nuked and invaded, its no skin of my back. That was not a solution by the way, I just stating that Americans need to be taught a lesson.

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All their oil are belong to us...

Wait a second, what were their planes, boats and tanks running on then? Japanic Fascist magic?


They ran on oil from America and Indonesia. When American and the Allies declared the embargo, Japan decided to take Indonesia.

QUOTE (J m HofMarN @ Feb 7 2008, 06:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
First of all, how the fuck do you prepare for a world fucking war? I mean unless youre the group intending to start it theres not much you can do. And if America had started to militarize too rapidly (we were, contrary to what you seem to believe, ramping up production and training and development) Japan would have noticed and nailed us anyhow and the only difference is they would have run their bombers with American fuel.


Now, I don’t think Japanese spies had access to remote military installations or training areas. I could be wrong.

QUOTE (J m HofMarN @ Feb 7 2008, 06:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
... Sorry for letting Japan invade places. Next time we'll take steps to slow them down like, GIVING THEM ALL THE FUCK OIL THEY WANT. That'll stop em! But why stop there? We could lease out American ships to give them rides all around the pacific so they could relax and forget about war. Send them to vacation in nice spots like Hawaii, Alaska, Australia, etc.


Did the embargo on Japan do anything except make more war? Err… no.
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Posted 07 February 2008 - 03:22 PM

Snake:

"Search your feelings...": No! That's impossible! I'll never join you! Et cetera ad nauseum.

Fascism etc.: Do you really need someone to spell it out for you? The line is drawn when a country is rallied against the entire world, when it conducts genocide, and when ethnocentrism and xenophobia runs rampant.

Bases: You should probably phrase your statement in the form of a question, but even if I'm generous and interpret what you mean, it's just plain absurd to think that the US attacked Germany or Japan in order to establish outposts there. I'm pretty sure that Germany invading Europe and Japan bombing the US in the Pacific was just a little higher up on the priority list. As to why it still has bases there, my guess is that the other countries don't feel threatened enough (or feel too threatened) to try to pressure the US into getting out, assuming they care, and of course the US loves to have its presence everywhere, just like every other nation on Earth, sadly.

Weapons: The military-industrial complex relies on a lot more than military outposts to perpetuate itself. You should look at all of the private American industries that got no-bid contracts to "rebuild" Iraq, as well as oil influence, strategic influence. You're simplifying everything down and just missing the real points and issues.

Americans, "lessons": We all know how nations get when their civilians are blown up, right? They realize that they were doing something wrong, apologize, and stop doing that ever again. That explains why Israel and Palestine stopped their ongoing war, right? No, wait a minute, they're still killing one another daily over there, because that reasoning is absurd.

Logic tables: Where C is Pearl Harbor on December 7th, 1941.

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 03:34 PM

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Fascism etc.: Do you really need someone to spell it out for you? The line is drawn when a country is rallied against the entire world, when it conducts genocide, and when ethnocentrism and xenophobia runs rampant.


But… the man in the torn jeans who smokes shrooms said that the Taliban are not Fascists.

http://www.fletcherl...ebanBuddhas.htm

Its hard trying to decipher what the hell is going on in your heads.

QUOTE (Slade @ Feb 8 2008, 07:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bases: You should probably phrase your statement in the form of a question, but even if I'm generous and interpret what you mean, it's just plain absurd to think that the US attacked Germany or Japan in order to establish outposts there. I'm pretty sure that Germany invading Europe and Japan bombing the US in the Pacific was just a little higher up on the priority list. As to why it still has bases there, my guess is that the other countries don't feel threatened enough (or feel too threatened) to try to pressure the US into getting out, assuming they care, and of course the US loves to have its presence everywhere, just like every other nation on Earth, sadly.


Sorry if you think I was talking about WW2 America. I meant modern America. I think FDR was really concerned about the welfare of people in Europe and Asia, even if he committed some stupid mistakes.

QUOTE (Slade @ Feb 8 2008, 07:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Weapons: The military-industrial complex relies on a lot more than military outposts to perpetuate itself. You should look at all of the private American industries that got no-bid contracts to "rebuild" Iraq, as well as oil influence, strategic influence. You're simplifying everything down and just missing the real points and issues.


So my point is valid. The wars around the world are to serve American weapon companies.

QUOTE (Slade @ Feb 8 2008, 07:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Americans, "lessons": We all know how nations get when their civilians are blown up, right? They realize that they were doing something wrong, apologize, and stop doing that ever again. That explains why Israel and Palestine stopped their ongoing war, right? No, wait a minute, they're still killing one another daily over there, because that reasoning is absurd.


The American lesson is: withdraw your 4 million strong army from around the world and concentrate on giving your citizens proper housing and proper healthcare.

QUOTE (Slade @ Feb 8 2008, 07:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Logic tables: Where C is Pearl Harbor on December 7th, 1941.


You think the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour for no apparent reason why they had their hands full in China?

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 03:26 AM

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That’s the word you used.


So was communism. But you're the one who took it utterly out of context and tried to turn it into the focus of the debate. I wont have that.

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That statement goes for FUCK ANYONE. You cant just say that because communists were willing to mount suicide attacks against marines in Vietnam, and "terrorists" mount suicide attacks that they should be called "Islamic Viet Cong"

But I am right. Fascists get desperate and then they do desperate things. You asked me why Islamic Fascists blow themselves up then I ask you why the Nazis used child soldiers.


Yes you're right by that logic. However I'm also right to call them Islamic Viet Cong. And since the CSA used guerilla tactics in the civil war, I'm right to call them Islamic Confederat Cavalry. And since the Christians did mean things to Jews when they got desperate in teh crucades I'm right to call them Islamic Christians. When one assumes your logic to be right your conclusion is right. Problem is your logic is faulty.

Jefferson Davis, Le Duan and King Richard all used desperate tactics, and appealed to nationalism, pride and religion. Therefore they must all be fascists as well.

That statement goes for FUCK ANYONE. You cant just say that because communists were willing to mount suicide attacks against marines in Vietnam, and "terrorists" mount suicide attacks that they should be called "Islamic Viet Cong"

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I was thinking more like Germany or Japan in 1945.


Thats good. I dont give a damn. I was talking about the difference in Arab "hey theres people in our country lets kill them" nationalism and Nazi "hey theres people who arent us, lets kill or enslave them" Then you come and point out that Nazi nationalism did, EVENTUALLY, end up with them trying to get people out of their country. See JM. See JM ignore that. Ignore JM, ignore.

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Fascists believe in authoritarian ideals, they believe in a very strictly controlled economy and to limit personal freedom as much as possible. Islamic Fascists believe in authoritarian ideals, they believe in a very strictly controlled economy and to limit personal freedom as much as possible.


Youre right. Osama Bin Laden is clearly a fascist, strictly controlling the economy of his cave and limiting the personal freedom of... fuck, I dunno, a fucking goat or two maybe? You go ahead and worry about Mullah Ohmar ruling with an iron fist over a bombed out crater in Afghanistan. I'm not terribly concerned that they'll be storming through the Ardennes any time soon.

You and people like you started out by calling these people Islamic Radicals, Islamic Terrorists or Wahhabists or whatever. Then you realized that made it look like you hated Islam. So your lot moved on to this fascist utter bollocks. And look what a great thing this is now. See, when it was just "terrorists" we could only attack people who bombed places. But now that we're at war with Islamic Fascists we can include governments in their ranks too. Governments like, oh, say... fucking Iraq? Iran maybe? Gaza? It's super because this way we link those governments with Qaeda, and as a bonus link them to the Nazis all in the same breath. Double Plus Good Think, I say!

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I never said it was good for Cuba/Iran/North Korea get nuked and invaded, its no skin of my back. That was not a solution by the way, I just stating that Americans need to be taught a lesson.


So its ok with you if Americans get blown up in a cruise missile strike. But its also ok with you if we nuke Cuba (a non beligerent nation without missile capabilities) Iran (a nation that has not ever attacked us) or North Korea? (the countries we've been picking on, which I guess is the reason you say we need to be taught a lesson) And its ok with you if people invade your home country as long as you'll be "better off". Is there anyone in the world you actually give a damn about?

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They ran on oil from America and Indonesia. When American and the Allies declared the embargo, Japan decided to take Indonesia.


Ok. lets go with your scenario of US military buildup which will be presented as an AIM conversation.

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Rozevel7rox: We r building up our army and navy 4 no reason rolleyes.gif lol here have some oil friend!
Emper0r4life: Are u sure? Thats a lot of long range bombers and carriers u guys got
Rozevel7rox: Totally! BFF, right Japan?
Emper0r4life: OK LOLZ
Emper0r4life: Has left the conversation...
IWINst0n: Has entered the conversation...
IWINst0n: u think he bought it?
Rozevel7rox: Hez a N00B he totally bought it.
IWINst0n: Good we can declare war and then take indonesia so they wont have any oil
Close session 1941

Session Start, 1941
Emper0r4life: Yo M0rEm0t0, those camping n00bs are going to declare war on us soon and probably stop giving us oil.
M0rEm0t0: Then we have to pwn Indonesia so they cant take all our oil.
Indakneesya: Has Entered the conversation
Indakneesya: Hey what r u guyz up to?
Emper0r4life: In your base, killin all your dudez ROFL.


So there you have it. The Japanese were going to occupy Indonesia either way. The only difference, as has already been stated, is that if we hadnt put an embargo on them they'd have been doing it with American fuel.

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Now, I don’t think Japanese spies had access to remote military installations or training areas. I could be wrong.


Would not Lockheed and other defense contractors ramping up hiring and production be in papers? Would not massive military enlistment drives or a draft be public knowledge? It doesnt take James Bond to figure out when a nation is preparing for war on a global scale.

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Did the embargo on Japan do anything except make more war? Err… no.


Yes. It made oil scarce so that they had to economize, maybe cut things back a bit. Also, if I'm an American oil worker and I'm pumping oil, I'd feel a tiny bit shitty when servicemen started to come home with ruts in them from where tanks running on my oil ran them over.

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 03:55 AM

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But… the man in the torn jeans who smokes shrooms said that the Taliban are not Fascists.

http://www.fletcherl...ebanBuddhas.htm

Its hard trying to decipher what the hell is going on in your heads.


Yes. I smoke mushrooms all the time. Gets me high as a kite. Banana peels too, but you have to take those as a suppository or the effects arent groovy enough.

Oh... you had something else to say. Well let me see here... You're comparing the Taliban blowing up some rock statues to the fascists... doing something. For now I'll use Kristalnacht since that involved destruction of religiousy stuff too.

Kristalnacht: Hitler incensed the population against jews, people fuck rioted in the streets trashing stores of Jews and suspected Jews.

Budhas: Taliban hired dynamiters to blow up some statues.

Now you could draw a similarity if Omar had stood on a balcony and made a big speech about how stone budhas were responsible for all of Afghanistans (many, many) ills and the people had then descended on them in a mob and broke them apart. But they didnt.

The Taliban lacks the popular appeal of fascism. Jackboots, long coats, nifty symbols, telling people they're the master race, and blonde haired blue eyed kids with eagles on their shoulders. Plus the totally sweet iron cross. You could get behind that stuff. And Hitler was a good speaker too. So the people did indeed get majorly behind him.

Meanwhile Omar has a scruffy beard which probably has some falafal stuck in it, and he tells some guy to blow up a statue while hanging out in his mansion. That's it. Theres no brownshirts involved. Theres no iron cross awarded for it. And no Jews were harmed in the filming of that episode.

In short, the only similarity between Omar and Hitler is that they both had dark facial hair.

From your arguments I deduce that you have no understanding of what fascism is about and assume it to be a blanket term applicable to any government style or any group you happen to disapprove of. You like your blanket terms eh?

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Sorry if you think I was talking about WW2 America. I meant modern America. I think FDR was really concerned about the welfare of people in Europe and Asia, even if he committed some stupid mistakes.


You have yet to provide any record of his so called stupid mistakes. The worst youve levied against him that he failed to give Japan oil which is being hotly debated. That so far as I can recall is the only alleged mistake you've brought up. So a better reading of that sentence would be "He did one thing that I view as a stupid mistake but which no one else does"

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Americans, "lessons": We all know how nations get when their civilians are blown up, right? They realize that they were doing something wrong, apologize, and stop doing that ever again. That explains why Israel and Palestine stopped their ongoing war, right? No, wait a minute, they're still killing one another daily over there, because that reasoning is absurd.

The American lesson is: withdraw your 4 million strong army from around the world and concentrate on giving your citizens proper housing and proper healthcare.


Oh yes. Because clearly Slade, being a Sladic Fascist, does not understand that that would be a good lesson for America (Americaic Fascists) to learn.

Oh wait, yes he does. He was clearly just heaping scorn on the METHOD you suggested of teaching said lesson. But carry on, I'm sure he's equipped to drag the argument back to your insane suggestion that mass civilian (Civilianic Fascists) casualties are not a good lesson teacher.

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Logic tables: Where C is Pearl Harbor on December 7th, 1941.

You think the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour for no apparent reason why they had their hands full in China?


Yes. The Japanese NAVY was very hard pressed to conquier INLAND FUGGING CHINA. They clearly had their hands full and had no ships or planes to spare for anything considering all the naval operations that must have been going on against the Chinese communist and nationalist fighters in INLAND FUGGING CHINA.

And I bet they felt really silly for using those boats that could have done so well in the middle of the Chinese mainland to attack an enemy that was only
Allied with the enemies of Japans allies.
The largest fleet and largest army besides Japan's in the Pacific
The biggest concentration of boats available with few defenses.
Clearly eventually going to go to war with Japan

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 06:13 AM

QUOTE (Spoon Poetic @ Feb 7 2008, 03:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Considering the point of a debate is to prove a point with facts and arguments and stuff, you kinda have to have long-winded posts to get anywhere.


It's true that debates should involve articulate arguments with verifiable fact to back up your claims but when you start getting into this situation;

QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ Jan 31 2008, 01:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Your post if you need me to comment on the whole thing went from: a claim that you had never accused the Muslims of being the only warmongerers, although you did earlier imply that pacifism in the West was a form of self-loathing; to a claim that North Americans entertain public executions (we don't); to a collapsing of decades of history of the Southern US to try to reduce JM's comments on the KKK (you failed); to a random question about Native Americans and whether they were communist; to an accusation that JM brought up communism in the first place, accompanied by the ludicrous suggestion that this is a "debate;" to the Spanish civil war (an effort to make a global comment on secular uprisings versus spirituality); to the Khmer and some other lateral argument you're having with JM. If you're surprised I didn't choose to reply to all of it, unsur-fucking-prise yourself. Those are several separate topics and your posts are starting to look like the early days of Usenet. I don't apologise for not responding in kind.


the debate starts to become bogged down in irrelevance and becomes pointless. In university debates I was taught that the best points are clear concise and to the point. Civ sums up my opinions in the last lines perfectly.
QUOTE (arien @ Jun 29 2008, 03:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So this baby, while still inside its mother, murdered his twin brother and STOLE HIS PENIS.

That is one badass baby.

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