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Posted 02 May 2004 - 04:18 PM

Go to www.badastronomy.com, where the author has reviewed several movies including Episode I and Episode II. Under Episode II, he explains why Jango Fett's "seismic charges" cant work in space and why Dooku's solar sail ship can't go from Geonosis to Coruscant in such a short time.
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Posted 02 May 2004 - 08:27 PM

I know what you mean, but in truth, SW has never been known for its technical accuracy. I mean come on, lightsabers? That's got to be the most impossible thing every designed, lasers can't just end suddenly like that. And sound in space? I'm not saying it's not entertaining that there is sound, but that's not technically accurate either. The seismic charge wouldn't work, I agree, but in all honesty, the effect of it was one of the most interesting things in the movie that I'll sacrifice technical accuracy for a cool sight. The Solar Sail was pretty stupid though, I will admit, and I think chef already does have that in his reasons, if I'm not mistaken. But I don't think that the seismic charge is that bad.
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Posted 02 May 2004 - 11:23 PM

I thought the seismic charge was *the* cool thing about the movie. Let's face it, Lucasfilm and minions do sound really well. and the absence of all sound (probably why there was no music for this scene, a shortcoming noted elsewhere,) is all the more effective when the noise resumes.

who was it, cadillac, that replicated the effect in a commercial recently? the zooming approaching car skids, slides and rests- to silence. (and then the sound of such whoosing "catches up.") may have gotten the idea from aotc. not to give lucas too much credit though, happens at every military airshow.
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Posted 03 May 2004 - 02:31 AM

As far as laser guns are concerned.

You would die prior to the light hitting you. The focus point of the energy would burn you up even before the light touches you. But since light travels real fast, it's negligible.


There are somethings that do piss me off about SW technology

-Storm Trooper armor is useless

-Ships seem to blow up real easy, unless it's a main characters

-Jango and Boba both suck at bounty hunting, yet are considered to be the best (it was vader who caught Han solo)--------I don`t recognize the expanded universe, so if the Fett`s are blown up to be great in the novels....meh

-Everyone seems to have a certain degree of engineering skills, and can fix things on ships as well as pilot them

-The death star would require alot of alloy. Almost too much for multiple galaxies to provide.

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Posted 03 May 2004 - 06:38 AM

I agree with your list of complaints, Jordan. However, I must disagree with you about Boba Fett. He was the one who tracked Han Solo to Bespin - he knew what he was doing.

It was the poor writing in Return of the Jedi that transformed him into an incompetent loser who hangs around Jabba's palace for ages (instead of starting his next job) and who got killed by a blind guy accidentally.

I have a hard time accepting all of Return of the Jedi as part of the Star Wars story - although there's 50 minutes of worthwhile stuff in there, Boba Fett's scenes are not among them. So for me, Boba Fett maintains his coolness.

In my mind, he was only in The Empire Strikes Back, despite what Lucas includes in his continued efforts to trash his galaxy and turn his saga into a pathetic mess.

However, that said, Jango Fett (who I refuse to acknowledge altogether) was pathetic... a bounty hunter hiring a bounty hunter to send a droid to send some bugs. It doesn't get much more stupid than that.
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Posted 03 May 2004 - 01:39 PM

Blasters don't fire lasers.
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Posted 03 May 2004 - 02:02 PM

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It was the poor writing in Return of the Jedi that transformed him into an incompetent loser who hangs around Jabba's palace for ages (instead of starting his next job) and who got killed by a blind guy accidentally.



Was Boba Fett really that important a character??? I mean all he really does is be the bounty hunter that is skillfull enough to capture Han Solo and take him to Jabba. That's it. I think the problem here is that a secondary character has been made a little too important in the Star Wars mythos.
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Posted 04 May 2004 - 12:31 AM

Don't get me wrong - I agree with you that he shouldn't have become such a cult figure. He wasn't anything special. But he did his job well and they should have allowed to leave the series gracefully with his ship flying away from Cloud City as his parting moment. That's all.
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Posted 04 May 2004 - 02:55 AM

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Don't get me wrong - I agree with you that he shouldn't have become such a cult figure. He wasn't anything special. But he did his job well and they should have allowed to leave the series gracefully with his ship flying away from Cloud City as his parting moment. That's all.

I agree with this. I liked Boba Fett as a character partly because he gained this reputation for being a badass bounty hunter after the movies were completed (was not overly happy with the style of his demise in ROTJ).

But we absolutely did not need to see his back story. He has absolutely no place in the PT at all and to be perfectly honest it has just helped to lame up that character. I mean Boba Fett is now just one of the Clone Troopers albeit with more brains (or at least untampered brains and DNA).

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Posted 04 May 2004 - 02:57 AM

QUOTE (Guest @ May 4 2004, 02:55 AM)
QUOTE (Just your average movie goer @ May 4 2004, 12:31 AM)
Don't get me wrong - I agree with you that he shouldn't have become such a cult figure.  He wasn't anything special.  But he did his job well and they should have allowed to leave the series gracefully with his ship flying away from Cloud City as his parting moment.  That's all.

I agree with this. I liked Boba Fett as a character partly because he gained this reputation for being a badass bounty hunter after the movies were completed (was not overly happy with the style of his demise in ROTJ).

But we absolutely did not need to see his back story. He has absolutely no place in the PT at all and to be perfectly honest it has just helped to lame up that character. I mean Boba Fett is now just one of the Clone Troopers albeit with more brains (or at least untampered brains and DNA).

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Posted 04 May 2004 - 03:31 AM

I forgot about that. Boba was the one who tracked him down. Boba was a good character...in ESB. He had a nice mystery to him, a side attraction which was fun to play with. But then ROTJ came out and completely killed his charm. When he fell into the sarlaac pit, I thought it was a temporary set back. Apparently, according to the dorks I knew back in High School, Boba Jet packs out of the pit later on. I never bothered to look in to that, so I don't know if it's true.

But the general public blew him out to be about 10 times bigger than he ever was. This is ok I guess to a certain degree. But keep in mind, as a result, we got Jango Fett. If Dengar, the dude with all the bandages, was the 'cool' bounty hunter then we would have seen a Jango Dengar in the PT.

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Posted 04 May 2004 - 07:59 AM

I, too, think that Boba Fett was ill-used in ROTJ, and I didn't are for "Baby" Fett in the prequels.

His death in ROTJ was ridiculous. Now, I'm not sure what the final verdict is on the little "pelts" on Boba's side is, but if they were Wookie pelts, I would've preferred that Chewbacca had thrown the bounty hunter into the pit. If it had been padawaan braids, I would've preferred Luke taking him out.

Since Han had taken him out (by accident), I would've preferred Boba's esccape, and his renewed vengeance against the smuggler. What better additional tension would it have been if BF had cornered Han on Endor... and Finally he's done in.

Anyway, as for the technical side of things, you mean that there wouldn't be enough alloy in the entire galaxy to build a Death Star? I find that very hard to believe.
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Posted 04 May 2004 - 10:02 AM

I kind of remember the Mad magazine send-up of Jedi. Vader corners his admiral and says something like: "I don't care how hard you're working on the death star, you'll have to work harder" and the guy replies something like "ok, we've already got every man working 20 hours a day" and vader replies "double your efforts!"

(or maybe the death star starts out as a magnet and trolls the galaxy for steel. The M. Falcon was drawn to it, I sense logic here. and the miniature death star we saw is actually a paper clip holder)


of course a year later Mad did a take-off on the George Lucas master-plan for all the movies where, ironically enough, everyone's related and appear in most of the films.

back to the topic: because Star Wasr sucks.
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Posted 04 May 2004 - 12:13 PM

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I agree with this. I liked Boba Fett as a character partly because he gained this reputation for being a badass bounty hunter after the movies were completed (was not overly happy with the style of his demise in ROTJ).



Hmm. Was Boba Fett's demise premature or even bad? A couple of things I have to point out here.

1. I had no problem with the way Boba Fett was portrayed in ROTJ. I loved the fact that Boba Fett was lurking around in the background. of Jabba's palace. I also liked the scene where Boba Fett is the only one noticing Artoo leaving the court. It showed Boba's awareness and savy. He is also the only one that seems ahead of the game in knowing how to deal with Luke Skywalker and the skiff battle. Liked the scene where Boba Fett nods approval of him "fellow Bounty hunter Boush". I liked Boba Fetts appearance in ROTJ. It contrasted and fit nicely with his ESB entrance. It wasn't too much and it wasn't too little. it also didn't interfer with the Imperial War storyline or Luke's destinty storyline. one of th eproblems i have with a lot of retcons of Episode VI is that they place Boba Fett too deeply into the story. Boba Fett has only 4 purpose in ROTJ, 1. to strengthen Han Solos character and background. 2. To give insight on the Clone Wars 3. Scenery for the gangster underworld that exists in the SW Universe 4. Deliver Han from the imperials to jabba. That's it.

2. Boba's death. I had no problem with it. Y'know the thing people forget in that whole scene was that Boba Fett was about to kill Luke Skywalker in that scene with a laser blast. Han essentially "saves" Luke but by accident. It is also important to note that Boba Fett was the only person that appeared to have been capable of defeating Luke on the Skiff. He goes so far as to have him completetly wrapped up. I guess you could have his actuall death be a little more elaborate. Too me it doesn't make a difference. There are thousands of movies {James Bond and Lethal Weapon for instance} where villains are disposed of in far more ridiculous ways that NOBODY appearas to bitch and moan about.

3. Keep in mind that a dragged out duel with Boba Fett would have taken up some valuable screen time. It may bee a good idea that if you are going to get rid of Boba Fett to do it quickly.

4. Again, Boba Fett for all his coolness is still a supporting character. Giving him a memorable demise and expanding his role would make him more important than he should be. You kind of have to mention him in ROTJ but still make it obvious that he was a supporting character.

5. There is a genius to the way Boba Fett dies. In many ways you could actually easily resurrect Boba Fett. I mean we only see him tumbling toward the pit. It isn't that big a leap of logic that Fett could survive the pit. Or if you want him completetly dead you can just assume that he was digested in the pit. The demise allows a degree of ambivalence.

6. You kind of have to bring back Boba Fett in ROTJ. It would be unforgivable to leave him out. Plus he has to have some type of connection to jabba and the events.
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Posted 04 May 2004 - 01:44 PM

Mike I've defended ROTJ with you, but c'mon, Boba Fett's death was not only not dramatic, it was almost used as a joke. "Boba Fett, Boba Fett, Where?" is a good line...for a comedy. When I see it, I laugh when Solo says the line, and then I realize, hey Boba Fett just died, why the hell am I laughing? I agree, a long, drawn-out duel interrputs the story. So how about a short, respectable death? Instead of by accident, Solo charges at Fett (he can see a green blur where Fett is which he would explain to luke later), hits him with the pike with all his anger, and then Fett goes tumbling in the Sarlaac pit so that he can be brought back for later use if necessary. But at least now it would be a respectable, intentional death, and we'd have the satisfaction of seeing Solo intentionally take out his rival. I love ROTJ, but that part was weak and could have been handled much better, in pretty much the same amount of time.
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