[Spoon Poetic]

Yeah, cuz calling someone retarded really makes everyone think that person is stupid...

Look, maybe my wording was off but I meant "most of the rap that plays on the radio these days." Is that better? That's why I reiterated in my most recent post (before this one) "radio play" a bunch. Since we were talking about radio music in the first place, I assumed that people would know what I meant and I guess I was wrong. I agree that the underground hiphop music scene kicks the pop hiphop scene's butt to the moon.



Edit: "hophop music"? Whoops...

This post has been edited by Spoon Poetic: 31 January 2008 - 11:07 PM

[Heccubus]

And going full circle...the 80s and 90s sounds are coming back, like I said. And yeah, that's mostly thanks to the underground scenes. Example:



I won't deny that, much like every other genre out there, the mainstream hip hop scene owes the entirety of its existence to borrowing ideas from the underground scene, but that doesn't mean that big-name producers don't put those ideas to good use. It just means they do what the underground artists can't and make huge wads of money off of said ideas.

This post has been edited by Heccubus: 31 January 2008 - 11:41 PM

[civilian_number_two]

Yeah Blood, don't let me get old school. I think it's awesome that as a counter-example to the street garbage that Spoon described, you offer "Pussyhole." Yup. It's hard out ther for a pimp, yo.

That "Whoo!" (or however you'd spell it) that repeats every couple of meaures is the new "Oh-wee-oh" that we miss from the 80s, or maybe even the "Doo-Wop" of the Fifties. The problem is, those transparent fads (eventually) went away, while this JUST WON'T!!!!

As to this stuff being art or progressive or even difficult, Hecc, don't beat yourself up. I bet you couldn't make a decent money-making Jackson Pollack ripoff, but that doesn't mean he wasn't just throwing paint at a canvas. This stuff is incomprehensible garbage with a danceable beat. And hip-hop is worse, because the refrain and often even the beat is just cannibalised from 80s pop.

And yeah, yeah, you may know underground stuff that's better (it's a matter of degrees), but that stuff owes the mainstream its living. And the mainstream like Spoon said is boring.

-Civ (old curmudgeon)

[Heccubus]

So am I to understand that I'm the only one here who likes to get crunk on occasion?

This post has been edited by Heccubus: 01 February 2008 - 05:25 AM

[looktothesky]

... Fresh Prince of Belair was (and still is) an awesome show.

[Snake Logan]

At least older hiphop/rap had some music to it. Like "Gangsta's Paradise," for instance. It's pretty repetitive and gets old after a bit, but it's actually musical, unlike most of the rap of today, that's just tough talking over a track of repetitive bass bomps and synth wee-oos.

What about Lose Yourself by Eminem?

[Jordan]

Lose Yourself sucks

This post has been edited by Jordan: 01 February 2008 - 06:28 PM

[civilian_number_two]

Eminem has charisma that makes up for the general suckiness of his songs. Lose Yourself is an awesome example of that. It's to rap what "Van Halen's Jump" was to rock.

[Heccubus]

Eminem has charisma that makes up for the general suckiness of his songs. Lose Yourself is an awesome example of that. It's to rap what "Van Halen's Jump" was to rock.

I couldn't have said that any better myself. However, I think that with Van Halen, while David Lee Roth's charisma definitely saved them from being a total joke (though ultimately making them a complete joke 20 years later), you have to respect the sheer virtuosity of Eddie's playing.

This post has been edited by Heccubus: 02 February 2008 - 07:25 AM

[Chefelf]

At least older hiphop/rap had some music to it. Like "Gangsta's Paradise," for instance. It's pretty repetitive and gets old after a bit, but it's actually musical, unlike most of the rap of today, that's just tough talking over a track of repetitive bass bomps and synth wee-oos.

I'm not trying to marginalize hip hop as I am a huge fan of a lot of it but "Gangsta's Paradise" is a poor example of musicality in rap. Anyone can take a Stevie Wonder song's chorus and then rap over the verse part and sound like a genius. Because, of course, it's still an awesome Stevie Wonder song underneath it all.

[Slade]

I don't recall any virtuosoish playing in "Jump", which is an annoying and terrible song. And Eminem's a pathetic prick, who was capitalizing on being a prick and hating his mother, like many other angry white boys in the mainstream music industry last I checked. Though to be fair, that was maybe three to seven years ago. And I will give him credit for having occasionally decent rhythm/flow with his vocals.

[Spoon Poetic]

I'm not trying to marginalize hip hop as I am a huge fan of a lot of it but "Gangsta's Paradise" is a poor example of musicality in rap. Anyone can take a Stevie Wonder song's chorus and then rap over the verse part and sound like a genius. Because, of course, it's still an awesome Stevie Wonder song underneath it all.

Well, I had no idea the music came from Stevie Wonder. I guess that explains it. Muchly changes my opinion of that song, which is kind of sad since it's one of the few I like. Which Stevie song?

[Snake Logan]

Pastime Paradise.

[barend]

I couldn't have said that any better myself. However, I think that with Van Halen, while David Lee Roth's charisma definitely saved them from being a total joke (though ultimately making them a complete joke 20 years later), you have to respect the sheer virtuosity of Eddie's playing.

Which was difficult to acknowlege when Sammy Hagar was at the wheel. That guy sucked ass.



And underground rap/hiphop fucking rocks. I Was playing a metal head friend New Kingdom's 'paradis don't come cheap' and he was blown away and wondered why people "into rap" (the crap you hear on the radio) listened to such weak shit.

This post has been edited by barend: 04 February 2008 - 07:23 PM

[Chefelf]

Well, I had no idea the music came from Stevie Wonder. I guess that explains it. Muchly changes my opinion of that song, which is kind of sad since it's one of the few I like. Which Stevie song?

Do yourself a favor and pick up a copy of Songs in the Key of Life. You'll be glad you did! And you will recognize quite a few other songs that have been sampled/borrowed/ripped off over the last 31 years.

http://www.amazon.co...0...6861&sr=8-3

NOTE: The Amazon MP3 for the entire two disc set is only $8.99. That's a steal!!